Ted Heath

[ImperialBlether]

Has anyone seen this? There's going to be a full investigation into Ted Heath and historic child sex abuse.

The net will be growing tighter around a lot of others if there's something in this.

[321TeachUs]

My first thought was 'another dead one, how convenient' too.

[Garlick]

I understand it, Noeuf. With the knowledge I have now, the most outstanding thing about those years is the silence. My father was horribly forthcoming about some of the awful things men did to children - and kept us away from Rolf Harris when we went to his show - but never said exactly what was wrong with the 'healthy' trips for young offenders (he moaned about the costs instead.) Everyone in Jersey knew about the child abuses, but it was never ever mentioned explicitly. The very few adult victims I'm in touch with now still won't speak to anyone official; the fear, shame and misplaced loyalty keep them quiet.

I am sure none of this has changed. As posters keep pointing out, even the language we use conceals the truth: paedophile; rent boy; child prostitute; kiddy porn; indiscretions ... We are talking about the malicious and deliberate rape of children. About selling children as sex slaves and worse.

I'm among those who hope the historic investigations will liberate victims, past & present, and the "everybody" who knows, to use the correct language and to prosecute the selfish bastards who do it. Especially the VIPs, because they're the ones who make it so easy for the rest.

[SouthWestmom]

. A sea change in language would be good. I remember though, unless I'm misremembering, rent boys in the 80s being used to describe a kind of party lifestyle, bit like It girls (underage clubbers hanging out with old men and it was reported as fun and daring.

[Garlick]

I honestly don't know how much victim-blaming has changed in 30 years. I'd like to think it's changed a lot, but I'm still always hearing about wayward girls and kids off the rails. General attitude being that kids make a lifestyle choice to be sexually exploited. When I come across a 'gone wrong' teenager these days, my first thought is often that the child's being abused. It's still really hard to get anyone to hear you saying it, perhaps because there isn't much anyone can do without a direct duty of care. I think things are improving - it's slow & difficult, and I hope continued exposure will hurry it along.

[LineRunner]

The 'rent boy' language was even widely used of children who were murdered. Jason Swift and the appallingly handled Sidney Cooke murder and rape cases in London spring to mind. In fact 'rent boys' is used of the victims on Cooke's Wiki entry.

[SouthWestmom]

Yes that's right, its actually shocking when you think about it. Really dismissive and minimising language.

[achieve6]

I was wondering if this has emerged as a distraction from allegations against abusers who are still alive.

Something about it doesn't sit well with me. I am in auto suspicion mode and no one's name would surprise me ...I know nothing about Ted Heath but it all seems a bit...vague? Not sure what the word is.

[redshoeblueshoe]

I would comment on that achieve but I'd probably get deleted. I might respond when I have slept on it.

[achieve6]

Actually I've just looked at more news on this

I no longer find it odd. Sigh.

[LineRunner]

The Guardian says five police forces are now investigating Ted Heath.

[Tiredemma]

I feel sad with myself that I dont even get shocked by this shit anymore.

Its almost like I have become desensitised to it. How fucking awful is that.

[Sansarya]

I agree achieve. Of course this should be investigated but it seems that there's a lot of abusers still alive and I think investigating them should take priority.

In the recent 60 Minutes report the reporter showed the victims photos of two current MPs and they confirmed that they'd been abused by them too. But of course names couldn't be named.

[marriednotdead]

Another one who believes that this is only the tip of the iceberg.
David Icke was mocked as a loon when he published this over two and a half years ago...

The truth WILL out, t'internet has been their downfall. As a silenced child, I can only feel relief that many will finally be believed.

[Dowser]

Wow Garlick! I'm a bit speechless there.

Heres a quote from David Icke site.

It appears to be a quote from David Icke himself.
www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...o-the-cesspit/




"Highly significantly, the name of Edward Heath, the British Prime Minister between 1970 and 1974, has also emerged in relation to abuse at Haut de la Garenne and to Jimmy Savile. I named Heath as a serial child abuser and killer and practicing Satanist in The Biggest Secret seven years before he died in 2005.


A local newspaper reporter, or an excuse for one, contacted Heath when the book was published in 1998 and read him the passage. He replied with the usual ‘Icke is crazy’ response and did nothing else. The reporter, a Charlotte Hofton, condemned me for attacking a ‘nice old man’.


I had spoken to many people who said they had been abused by Heath and witnessed his sexual abuses and satanic child murders, while I was told about Savile by those who knew from having access to the ‘inside’. I was therefore confident enough, with direct contact with the abused themselves, to name Heath in the book and defend any libel action. But that never came because what I said was true.


Edward Heath, a friend of Madonna.

Those who survived Heath’s abuse were the minority. He loved to torture children and then kill them, often by cutting their throats. This was the man who ran Britain for his masters for four years as prime minister and signed us into the fascism that is the European Union.


Heath was famous as an ocean-going sailor in his yacht Morning Cloud which he used to sail to Jersey and visit the children’s home, Haut La Garenne. According to some sources it was Jimmy Savile who supplied children for Heath that would be abused at sea and probably never return.


Savile had many close and intimate contacts in British politics and he boasted that he spent Christmas with Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and her husband Dennis every year for a decade. This is certainly reported to be true in terms of eleven consecutive New Year’s Eves.Thatcher replaced Heath as leader of the Conservative Party and many of her government ministers were paedophiles."

Also on that page is a photo of Heath and savile.

forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=296894&page=4


Someone mentioned feeling a bit desensitised about it. I think it's so true. If these scum are in every niche in society then I feel it's not coincidence that as ordinary members of the public especially ones as old as me have seen such a lowering of standards in the film and entertainment industry. I'm shocked at what a 12 year old can see at the cinema. As for a 15 year old even I can't watch half of them. That to me is so scary. People tie themselves into knots over a few effs and jeffs here and there but it's ok for a minor to watch rape and torture. Really? Since when did we become so immune.

People are waking up and people are asking questions.

People are saying it goes right to the very top, even royalty and are meaning it.

[suzanneyeswecan]

Looks like Mr Icke will be fully vindicated, the queen mother really was a satanist

All this focus on dead people is presumably just round one, an attempt to make us feel as if the problem belongs to the past ?

[Sansarya]

Edward Heath, a friend of Madonna.???

[noblegiraffe]

Wasn't David Icke also behind the Lord McAlpine accusations? I'm not sure he should be believed unreservedly.

[suzanneyeswecan]

No but it certainly gives you pause when allegations that seemed incredible turn out to be credible

[LineRunner]

I wonder if Pip Schofield's list of names will be resurrected.

[achieve6]

I do feel there is an issue when these things become so big, any name is believed

Bearing in mind that Heath was PM before my existence was even thought of, I didn't know anything about him and just found it a bit striking that a man with no children etc was a name in the public domain - I just couldn't help wondering if it was a distraction.

My understanding was also that there are people still alive and I wonder how much energy is focused there when we might get a conviction. I'm not saying it's unimportant to track the ones where the accused is dead, not at all. I'm just thinking the authorities will find it much more convenient to focus on those and goodness only knows what the authorities are ever doing!

[candykane25]

Its much harder to arrest or convict an abuser who is still alive because they can bring other people down with them, name names, and people in authority or in positions which have access to evidence will be working hard to prevent arrests because they might be implicated themselves.
Ted Heath can't name names.
Really hoping something will happen to blow the lid off it all.
Even the Saville investigations have not brought it all crashing down yet, with the huge scale of his abuse now in the public domain.
Thatcher's name keeps cropping up - i do believe she knew what was happening and the scale of it, but didn't solve it, just used it to her own advantage, and she wouldn't be alone in this - politics is strategic.

I am glad that the silenced are getting a voice which is getting louder and louder.

[Dowser]

Was that the mccalpine who owned some of the art collection of graham ovenden famous for painting unsavoury portraits of pre pubescent girls and now serving time in franklins prison for child sexual abuse, or is that another one?

[Dowser]

Wish I could post the picture of savile and Heath on that link I posted.

The question going around in my mind is if you knew someone was into paedophilia, necrophilia and god knows what else would you want to be friends with them.

Our only consolation...just like us..they all have to die,

[noblegiraffe]

Dowser, Lord McAlpine was about to be outed by the BBC as a paedophile who raped boys in children's homes, who had been accused by Icke for over a decade of doing this. It all fell apart at the last minute when the accuser realised it was mistaken identity and McAlpine was exonerated.

He then went on to successfully settle claims against a variety of people who outed him on Twitter.

He died recently.

[Dowser]

That's right. Yes it was the same one with the art collection. I googled some of graham ovenden's so called 'art work' . Just horrible.

Don't do it. You've been warned.