Rebecca Minnock - on the run with child after court battle

[BreakingDad77]

Is this one of those cases we wont get to the bottom of as to whether she is someone with MH problems or scheming father driving her to them?

There is a real possibility that the mother won't have direct contact with the child for a few weeks anyway.

The thing that strikes me is how emotive people are about a mother who has abused a child and the prospect that in order to prevent it from happening any further the mother will have to have limited contact, but don't even mention how difficult it must have been for the father to go through the same even though he had done nothing wrong.

The double standards of many are quite astounding.

There are many, many fathers that have to use contact centres, seeing their children for a couple of hours a fortnight due to a mother making unfounded allegations, managing to frustrate contact to the point where by the time he has begun to clear his name his only recourse is to see his child in a contact centre in an effort to rebuild the relationship.

CatMilkMan,

Best post all night.

What is the puppy?

No, Twinklestein, I didn't generalise. I simply pointed out that the fact that QCs with a reasonable work/life balance exist meant that your generalisation was not valid.

tut have you read the judgement? RM took Ethan to A&E. If any parent takes their child to A&E, the Drs conduct an examination based on the word of the parent.

The hospital don't check whether there is a current court case involving the child first.

The Drs didn't abuse Ethan, they had Rebecca's permission to examine him.

Why did the Dr afree to abuse a child out of interest?

Typo? Could you clarify, King Tut?

I believe the Puppy is the mothers latest media strategy directed at making you feel all 'warm and shnuggly' so the public and courts will go all soft on her.

I could well be wrong though.

I thought that type of exam should be done in conjunction with the police and sadeguarding as it's a crime.

I may be wrong but I believe that supervised contact was ordered before she fled due to her make more false allegations of abuse and having subjected the child to the ordeal of being examined at hospital.

You may be right. My reading of the judgments is that RM was advised of the content of the SocServ report the night before the hearing, took Ethan to A&E that evening, and (according to family members) plotted to flee with him.
She failed to attend court the following morning, and the judge immediately ordered Ethan reside with his father, so allowing the subsequent orders to be made in an attempt to trace her as soon as possible.

I thought so too, I voiced my concerns to a GP and they informed me that they could not personally examine my child. Not that I had requested it.

Sorry, I've now worked out that "afree" was "agree". With any luck a doctor can set us right, but I would have thought it unlikely that the police had to be called in every time a child is presented with an allegation of sexual abuse; after all, it would make it much more distressing for the child to have yet more strangers watching him being examined. And, of course, if it was a requirement, we haven't been told that the requirement wasn't met in this case.

I thought that type of exam should be done in conjunction with the police and sadeguarding as it's a crime.

Depends entirely on what RM said to the Drs.

Sorry, I've now worked out that "afree" was "agree".

With any luck a doctor can set us right, but I would have thought it unlikely that the police had to be called in prior to medical examination every time a child is presented with an allegation of sexual abuse; after all, it would make it much more distressing for the child to have to wait till the police turned up and to have yet more strangers watching him being examined. And, if it was a requirement, we haven't been told that the requirement wasn't met in this case.

When I had no choice but to raise concerns about my child and they didn't even face being examined, it was the single most sickening and distressing moments I have ever experienced in my life.

How a parent could willingly put there child through that in order to gain an advantage in court whilst trying to destroy the relationship with the other parent, there are no words.

I don't think many people can actually fathom just how sickening this woman's behaviour actually is.

In fact, they don't want to because it challenges their own beliefs.

I'm sorry but you did generalise about the QCs you worked with. It's more likely that they've had a range of work/life balances than that they all had precisely the same.

I have never said that no QC exists who has a good work/home balance and the existence of ones who do don't invalidate my general point.

Leaving that aside, it's not a very interesting aspect of this discussion, the case hinges on the judgement of the social workers and that of the psychiatrist.

Is is it possible they could have made mistakes? Yes. I don't know whether they have or not, but it's not impossible.

I don't think that the bad press social workers sometimes get is fair, at the same time I don't think the training is adequate. In Germany for example, SW are in a par with psychotherapists in terms of training, pay and status.

There are cases where sws have made major errors of judgment, some of which are sadly famous.

The psychiatrist has to make a judgement as to whether one parent or another is telling the truth. And he has to make a judgement as to whether something happened for which there is no direct evidence. It comes down to his impression and his opinion.

Ms Dinnock would not 'accept' that her allegations about her ex were not true. That may be because she's an unrepentant liar, or because she believes them to be true. There is no hard evidence either way.

There are cases such as the shaken baby cases where expert witnesses have been wrong. In this case there's not even any physical data to go on.

If you allege someone is a massive drugs user and their test comes back clear, I am happy to take that as pretty hard evidence that your allegations are not true or wildly exaggerated.

I am sorry you find me too 'silly' to engage with. I can only apologise that the part of my brain which a man would use for rational discourse has been taken over by kittens and shoes. I had better get back to the kitchen and child rearing and live out my manifest biological destiny, free from the shackles of logic and reason.

Very sensible post, Twinklestein. Some of the presumptions made on this thread are pretty shocking.

Twit,

Which presumptions?

That the mother is trying to protect her son from an emotionally abusive bully?

All the judgements show that the mother is an emotionally abusive bully.

Some of the presumptions made on this thread are pretty shocking.

You mean the presumption that the various professionals involved in the case are competent?

Even if, as has been suggested, they were all wrong, either deliberately and maliciously, or through incompetence, it still leaves the question of what explanation there is for RMs behaviour and actions, which are at odds with Ethan's best interests.

I looks as though the mother has pulled her public Facebook account where she states she would it this again and again.

Probably about the smartest move she has made so far, albeit too late.

The Golden Uterus mummy memes are a sight to behold on her support group page.

' it was the single most sickening and distressing moments I have ever experienced in my life.'

Sonny - I can imagine, and you must still be working through your traumas.

Do you think your experience though influences your ability to be objective in this particular case and perhaps even make a few presumptions?

I personally have heard so many stories about the 'professionals' getting it so wrong that I never presume they are competent or without their own agendas.

I don't think any parallels to my own case are hindering my ability to be objective in this case.

I am basing my views on the released judgements, case history and mothers very public behaviour.

It is rare to be able to discuss a case like this but due to the mothers behaviour we are able to do so.

Many people are making presumptions about the courts and the father based on the mothers attempts to manipulative people through the media, even using her son.

My own case has been (hopefully) over for over a year now. I am well on my way to recovery and able to parent and get a life back.

Sadly, in this case, the child's father and, due to her own actions, the child's mother face face at least a few more years of protracted court cases.