How not to behave in a foreign country

[DoughDoe]

So matey here www.facebook.com/dr.emil.kaminski climbs a mountain in a foreign land, like so many backpackers before him.

And he persuades fellow members of the group climbing that it's a good idea to pose naked, piss on the sacred mountain top (you are supposed to 'ask for permission' of the spirits before doing this), and then plaster it all over your public Facebook pages of your half-assed travel-the-world-and-make-crappy-Youtube-videos venture www.facebook.com/Monkeetime?fref=ts

While you are still in said foreign country, in a small town where white people will stick out like a sore thumb.

And then an earthquake killed 18 people on the mountain, which was ascribed to the wrath of the mountain following their behaviour.

Then the others in the group were arrested, while he attempted to hide out

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3117940/British-woman-four-tourists-arrested-stripping-naked-mountain-Malaysia-locals-say-angered-tribal-spirits-caused-deadly-earthquake.html

Now he has been arrested as well....

"While in Majorca and Ibiza the locals have had no objections over young Brits daily behaviour abroad for decades."

I promise you they have.

That's only true Itismebut if you set the west up to be the final arbiter of crime and proportionality. Maybe it should be up to the citizens of a country to determine what is allowed, what is not and what the punishment should be? The world isn't just a playground for the rich.

I have the bladder of a camel and really just can't bring myself to pee outside. I don't really like using public loos much either!

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That's only true Itismebut if you set the west up to be the final arbiter of crime and proportionality. Maybe it should be up to the citizens of a country to determine what is allowed, what is not and what the punishment should be? The world isn't just a playground for the rich.

And its not like committing a crime is inevitable. People who visit places have a responsibility to familiarise them self with local laws and customs. And if they break local laws/violate local customs then there will be consequences, decided by that country.

itis if you think that other countries' laws and punishments are disproportionate, don't travel to them. And certainly don't break their laws if you think the punishment is too severe.

Especially if you publicise what you do on Facebook. Not enough to be privately ignorant and disrespectful, you must rub people's faces in it.

choc Ah, now that is handy! Shame for me though, I was hoping you were going to give me a solution I hadn't thought of

Oh dear, I've (frequently) visited more countries and dignitaries with different customs before I was 40, than many can dream about; I have already said (twice I think) it was disrespectful and not on, but in starting to think where this may end up for those involved, wondered why there aren't frequent threads about our your pissing in the street in Europe and/or NOTHING is done about it in polite UK society.

Because we now accept that this is our right in Christian countries but draw the decently line under Muslim?

As to "determining" to punishment, or publishing it as a deterrent, as to a poster this appears a class thing, I wonder what is is for starting an earthquake, whether rich or poor, when people died and the population start baying for 'an eye'?

FYI I have visited Saudi Arabia several times and never fell foul of their laws.

I assume everyone questioning my views/worries of where this might end, fully support Muslim Saudi Arabian authorities in their right to domestically dish our Sharia Law how they find fit????

We expect those who visit our country to abide by our laws and if they break them, be punished by our standards. Why do people then protest when other countries expect the same?

They were stupid and violated their laws, they got in trouble. Not rocket science.

I think a punishment of paying a fine for 10 buffalo is fairly propionate actually.

was anyone on this mountain to be outraged by the public indecency? if it wasnt in front of anyone, then i am finding it hard to be outraged. sticking it on fb was definitely stupid though.

If I'd seen that behaviour in the UK I would be outraged.

Hypocrisy, its the only country I have travelled ( been to a fair few) where there were peep holes so the local men could spy on the females....

yes we had that experience too ivykaty

Someone must have been able to see it (whether whilst it happened, or later publication online) for there to have been a complaint about it.

Anyone else remember the fuss about the desecration of Uluru a few years ago (naked dancing)?

The peepholes were not installed by the governmemt presumably so it is hardly hypocritical. You might as well say that because we have rapists here we cant object to rape in India

if it wasnt in front of anyone, then i am finding it hard to be outraged

So a crime is only a crime if someone sees it as it occurs?

No sympathy either. I'm sure it was just one big jolly jape by some overprivileged twats...until they got caught. Hopefully they'll show a bit more respect in future, but I suspect it will simply become a larf of a tale when they get home. Prats.

yeah when its a crime like outraging public decency i expect the public to be present and outraged. stripping off in the great outdoors is hardly worthy of arrest if it only comes to peoples attention via facebook

And what went through their minds, do you think, when they did what they did on a sacred site and then chose to share their twattish, disrepectful behaviour on Facebook? What were they hoping to achieve?

ivykaty was it in penang?
Have never got over the shock of wondering why there was a big hole in the toilet door, looking through it and finding an eye staring back at me whilst I was on the toilet!!

So apparently, the cumstain in the OP wasn't even in Malaysia at all, he just appropriated it for self-publicity.

Which is great for him, but not so great for the people arrested as a result of his posturing....

OF course something is done if you piss on the streets of Europe. I have seen tourists being arrested in the Netherlands for it and a friend's brother was arrested, charged and fined for peeing in an alley here in the UK.

This isn't a Christian vs Muslim (or any other) country issue.