Oops, they got it wrong about cholesterol

[claig]

"We've all spent time worrying about our cholesterol levels, but what if it was all... a conspiracy! What if the truth was that eating lots of fat doesn't clog your arteries and kill you, and that there's been a deliberate effort to ignore that evidence in order to secure the financial fortunes of Big Pharma's major anti-cholesterol drugs?"

www.cbsnews.com/news/dawn-of-the-cholesterol-skeptics-big-pharma-conspiracy-theorists-get-a-turn-in-the-spotlight/

"Flawed science triggers U-turn on cholesterol fears"
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Its Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee plans to no longer warn people to avoid eggs, shellfish and other cholesterol-laden foods.

The U-turn, based on a report by the committee, will undo almost 40 years of public health warnings about eating food laden with cholesterol. US cardiologist Dr Steven Nissen, of the Cleveland Clinic, said: 'It's the right decision. We got the dietary guidelines wrong. They've been wrong for decades.'

Doctors are now shifting away from warnings about cholesterol and saturated fat and focusing concern on sugar as the biggest dietary threat.

The Daily Mail's GP Martin Scurr predicts that advice will change here in the UK too.
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He added that the food industry had effectively contributed to heart disease by lowering saturated fat levels in food and replacing it with sugar.

Matt Ridley, a Tory peer and science author, yesterday said there should be an inquiry 'into how the medical and scientific profession made such an epic blunder'.

He described the change of advice in the US as a 'mighty U-turn' and said studies linking high cholesterol and saturated fat in food to heart disease were 'tinged with scandal'."

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3096634/Why-butter-eggs-won-t-kill-Flawed-science-triggers-U-turn-cholesterol-fears.html

I wonder if a similar thing will happen in about 40 years to the "save the planet" climate change warnings.

Oops!

and they were wrong. Human evolved not to eat fish. They came it it very recently as a form of scavenge, but fish is very fundamentally not a human food.

So a simple piece of scientific truth knocks the whole on on the head, doesn't it. Amazing what you can construct, and convince your self of, and be so completely unfounded.

Have you got a link for that?

Yes, eat fish to reduce inflammation which is a bigger factor in reducing heart attacks than cholesterol

Because...the fish oils affect the type of cholesterol and its structure as well.

Do you know about how plaques form?

any up to date palaeontology source Claig.

Omega-3 fatty acids present in fish oil are potent cholesterol lowering agents

From www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16414570

'Do you know about how plaques form?'

No, but I can google as well as the next person and find out. But what has that got to do with the price of fish and eggs?

Do you know about how plaques form?

Because plaques are how the cholesterol gets into them forming atherosclerotic plaques. Then they come loose and cause MIs.

When dh had a stroke (which was not caused by lifestyle), the handout from the NHS read like the webmd page.

Charis, do you have any links about fish? I hate fish, I wonder if I'm slightly more evolved than the rest of my family?

Orlando - ketosis is now firmly on my "confused" list.
Wrt a LFHC diet ketosis is seen as optimum, in fact just last week I saw a video of a dr claiming that this is the healthiest way to lose weight (unless you have type 1 diabetes I think).
I've read that being in ketosis is what helps diabetes (type2) sufferers reduce and even come off their medication. So how can that mean you're fucked? (Genuinely interested, not being an arse here :))

Plaques and inflammation for you.

It's not the Daily Mail

www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/Inflammation-and-Heart-Disease_UCM_432150_Article.jsp

So how can that mean you're fucked?

If your body has run out of glycogen, run out of fat stores and is now using proteins etc, it's in starvation mode.

If you can't get more food, you're fucked.

Ketosis is the body's response to starvation.

But how is this then one of the most sustainable ways of eating, and a way that more and more people are finding helps to become more healthy?

Ive been low carbing for about 6 weeks now and compared to other diets (low fat type diets) I'm finding more health benefits.
My asthma is non-existent at the moment, my hayfever (which I've had for the last 30 years) has gone, I'm not having a mid-afternoon slump, I have more energy, I'm not getting muscle ache in my calves when I walk, and most intriguing of all, I have gone from being a midge's favourite meal to not having one single bite! None of this changed when I lost weight with low fat diets.

I know this thread wasn't about diets, but I am confused how something apparently so bad can show significant health improvements in just a few weeks.

But if you had run out of fat stores then you would be extremely thin wouldn't you? Is'nt that how people use ketogenic diets to lose their weight? I go into ketosis over night until I eat my first meal of the day.

I have gone from being a midge's favourite meal to not having one single bite!

You probably smell and that's why they don't bite.

Are you low carbing or eating less?

Your body is in starvation mode. What do you know is happening to your body? What's happening to the levels of biochemicals in your blood?

Your body is not designed to be in starvation mode. It will be having an effect on the whole holistic effect on your body.

I go into ketosis over night until I eat my first meal of the day

You shouldn't do. You have natural glycogen reserves to prevent that.

www.diabetes.co.uk/blood-glucose/ketosis.html

LeChien lots of people report lack of aches and pains when on low carb and also helps reverse diabetes type two and blood pressure issues. I have read a lot where it says it is down to removing gluten from the body which in itself causes inflammation.

"Is ketosis dangerous?

The NHS describes ketosis as a potentially serious condition, whereas a number of popular diets cite ketosis as being an essential part of weight loss.

Ketosis is described as being potentially dangerous as very high level of ketones can make the blood acidic, a state known as ketoacidosis, which can lead to serious illness in a relatively short space of time"

Sorry, meant could cause inflammation in some people.

I think there is a difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis. They are not the same thing.

www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/ketoacidosis.html

No, but I can google as well as the next person and find out

I think this is your problem Claig!

You should try getting into a lab and conducting some actual real analysis for yourself. You would understand the world a lot better when you came out.

Orlando I have been told that many people go into ketosis over night when they go for long periods without eating. My urine was tested in the morning.

Orlando so are ketosis and ketoacidosis in fact different states?

"During the usual overnight fast, the body's metabolism naturally switches into ketosis, and will switch back to glycolysis after a carbohydrate-rich meal. Longer-term ketosis may result from fasting or staying on a low-carbohydrate diet, and deliberately induced ketosis serves as a medical intervention for intractable epilepsy.[6] In glycolysis, higher levels of insulin promote storage of body fat and block release of fat from adipose tissues, while in ketosis, fat reserves are readily released and consumed.[5][7] For this reason, ketosis is sometimes referred to as the body's "fat burning" mode.[8]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis

As I understand it they are different states, but it is possible to push yourself into ketoacidosis from ketosis in a LCHF diet. Although it's very rare if you are not diabetic.

That's what I understood too RafaIsTheKing from the link I posted.

Claig that is what my GP told me about my going into ketosis over night too. I was not doing a diet at the time.