racial murder

[alexa1]

What an awful story. That poor lad was walking down the street minding his own business.

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I hope you washed your hands after you got off that bus, aitch, and didn't pick up any strange men .

You pleb!

I do not agree with the death penalty but the problem is that so many violent offenders are being released who go on to commit more awful crimes that it maked a stronger case for re introducing the death penalty. I hadn't realised the ring leader had such a violent past but I'm not surprised.

Agree with expat - there really should be life without the possibility of parole for vile crimes such as this one.

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True, though, aitch. 'Baldi' had convictions spanning back at least ten years. When he was 19 he battered a 25-year-old man w/a baseball bat and left him in a coma and permanently brain-damaged.

But the prison system was like a revolving door despite his increasing violence.

I almost wonder if this habit of releasing murderous criminals is softening us all up to accept the death penalty back tbh.

I don't think so, Caligula. I think it's the result of an outdated and inadequate system in need of some serious reform.

I abhor the death penalty, but I honestly believe some offenders and those who commit certain offenses need to be locked up for life to protect society.

Some offenses have NO known course of rehabilitation which has shown little or any effect, such as those who sexually abuse children.

Society has an obligation to protect its most vulnerable, children, from such persons.

Ditto people like these murderers.

yes that was partly my point caligula. I didn't see Blair or anybody else condemning saddam's hanging sentence and the tabloids had a field day with that one. I wouldn't be surprised if moves to bring it back appear a few years down the line.

whywasthismanout

Expat, he was out because it costs an awful lot of money to keep people in prison and there is no political will to do anything about updating the criminal justice system.

Then there's this waste of space:
rapistandmurderer

He didn't just 'assault' his victim. He raped her repeatedly and threw her from a moving train.

The system needs tightening up to be honest. If a prisoners meets certain criteria and jumps through the right hoops it is very difficult not to give them early release. The parole/HDC is there almost as an incentive IYSWIM. The boards have to justify their decisions either way it goes, and those justifications must be able to hold up if challenged.

I think we need to consider different types of sentences, other than full time imprisonment, for lesser crimes when the general public are not at direct risk. Trouble is whe this happens, absconding is much more likely to occur. I have heard of so many ways to remove a tagging device, of open prisons where prisoners just don't return once out to work, etc. It is these things that really need tightening up.

At the moment I am finding that officers seem much less willing to put people forward for open prisons or early release unless they can come up with at least 2 or 3 strong reasons for not doing so.

Trouble is, as we all know, prisons are getting fuller every day.

I understand that the UK has a larger proportion of its population in prison than any other EU country. It would be interesting to know how many of them are in prison for things like debt, non-payment of council tax etc where I think other punishments, such as community service, would be a better option. Also how many people are in prison when really they should be in psychiatric hospitals?

This happened in the area where I live. Kriss Donald's mother is to be commended for the way she has appealed for calm. Dh and I thought that there would be trouble in the neighbourhood after the verdict, but instead there seems to be more a sense of relief that justice has been done and that they are now behind bars.

At the time of the murder, the BNP tried to come to the area and stir up trouble and got short thrift. They apparently now think that they can come to Glasgow again and exploit the "racial tensions" that this has created. To be honest, I don't beleive that it has. The crime was so horrific - and the Muslim community has been so outraged - that in a sense it has not been seen as a racist murder but just what it was: truly EVIL, perpetrated by thugs - who happen to be Asian.

There is a wee sort of shrine at the moment at the place where Kirss was abducted: people are leaving flowers and there are some flags hanging from the railings. Ds sees it every day on the way from his primary school to his out of school club and we were talking about it on Saturday because there was an article in the paper (how do you explain this to a 6 year old?). There is a Saltire and an Islamic flag, and on the Islamic flag there is a message saying "Guilty, Guilty, Guilty: we are very sorry from the Muslim community". By chance the two flags are separated by another flag (I was looking at a photo - the flag had been been blown up by the wind), but ds told me "the two flags should be together, because that shows that the Muslims are also Scottish". That's the sense of community that we want to encourage.

I don't like him, but the MP Mohammend Sarwar needs to be commended for having got the Pakistani authorities to send the three men home. There isn't an extradition treaty, so he used his influence to persuade them that it was the right thing to do.

I agree, pretty. If there is one thing positive to come out of this, there is hope that the neighbourhood will be more united against the sort of behaviour these three perpetrated both before and at the time of the crime.

Kris 's mother is amazing

She is indeed. I'm sure it is her example that has helped maintain the calm. There seems to be something spiritual about her: there was anrticle saying that when she was told he's been abducted, she "knew" that Kriss knew he was going to die. They've also put a seat where he died and go there at time to contemplate. She says she can "feel" him there.

I can believe that 100%.

Hope these bastards rot in hell. They walked out of court after sentencing with smug grins on their faces.

Did read in the paper that the cons are all queueing up to kick the shit out them. Cant happen soon enough however what happens to them will never be as bad as what they did to poor Kriss.

Cant imagine what his family and poor mum are going through.

Kriss's mother has been truly inspirational throughout this. How she found the strength to sit through that case, hearing all those horrific details about her baby boy. Just inspirational, she could have sought revenge but instead chose to call for peace in the community.

My BIL is a prison officer, he says there are several hits out on the three scum that did this. I would look the other way and let them suffer.