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Jordanian Pilot burned to death by IS

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LouiseBrooks · 03/02/2015 20:36

Moaz al Kassasbeh, the young Jordanian pilot being held captive by IS, has apparently been burned alive. Obviously this is not a link to the video but rather to the story.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11387756/Jordanian-pilot-burned-alive-in-new-Isil-video.html

Apparently he's been dead for 3 or 4 weeks so the whole hostage negotiation that's been going on was a complete sham. Just when I thought that these savages couldn't get any worse. It shows that Muslim, Jew, Christian, atheist, we must all join together to fight against these maniacs.

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meditrina · 03/02/2015 23:06

Estimates from autumn 2014 were around 2 dozen international hostages held by IS.

No idea how many prisoners in Jordan convicted of murder or other terrorism offences.

In googling for those, I found a bunch of press reports from January quoting Jordanian officials stating that if Moaz Al-Kasabeh was harmed, then death sentences would be carried out. It seems it's not knee-jerk, but a longer process (akin to war?)

Snapespotions · 03/02/2015 23:33

Why don't all the rest of the Muslim people and governments rise up and say enough is enough, you don't speak for me and Islam?

Lots of Muslims have said that. And I think it's pretty obvious in any case, when many of their victims are Muslim, from predominantly Muslim countries - like this poor man from Jordan. Even if more people speak out, I don't think it's going to solve the problem.

NetballHoop · 03/02/2015 23:51

I feel so sorry for the poor victims and their families.

Just last week I listened to survivors of the holocaust speaking about what they went through at the hands of the Nazis. It's not so different to what IS are doing (on a smaller scale so far).

It is obvious that brain washing young people can turn almost anyone into a monster. The only solution I can think of is to provide good education to every child in the world in the hope that they will then have the strength to oppose violence. I don't hold out much hope though.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 04/02/2015 00:06

It is horrendous isn't it.

Now that Jordan have become involved I have a fear that things could escalate. Not that IS don't totally deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth once & for all, but that won't happen with more civilian loss of life.

I am quite scared about the state of the world at the minute.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 04/02/2015 00:07

Oh, and I don't believe it's anything to do with religion either.

If it was then surely they wouldn't be killing fellow Muslims?

Arsenic · 04/02/2015 00:19

It's pure evil.

AuntieStella · 04/02/2015 00:21

It seems they are attempting to eliminate the Shi'a

I found this a useful background piece by the BBC and it has links to their other background articles (none of which contain gruesome images or graphic descriptions; a hazard if you look at other, even fairly mainstream, sites).

Arsenic · 04/02/2015 00:24

And they are, by definition, expansionist.

The implications - the scale - is potentially bigger than the Nazis managed before they were stopped.

Latara · 04/02/2015 00:26

I found this very upsetting. One of my friends was killed in a fire 12 years ago and it is the worst way to die.

I think ISIL aren't Muslims at all, they are Satanists.

Arsenic · 04/02/2015 00:29

Sorry to hear that Latara.

It is all too horrible to articulate really.

CarlaVeloso · 04/02/2015 00:31

Does anybody else wonder why nothing appears to be being done to wipe these monsters out?

I find it very worrying. Why will governments around the works not DO anything? Are air strikes still happening? Don't we need some drastic action now?

TendonQueen · 04/02/2015 00:39

Just when you think it can't get any worse. Respect to Moaz Al-Kasabeh and thoughts for him and his family.

I think air strikes are still happening. After reading about this and some of the stuff happening in and around Kobani I wish there was more of a push on direct action. The Kurdish forces who have now won back Kobani deserve huge admiration for their courage and resilience against ISIS. They should be kept well supplied with arms after what they've been able to do and given every possible support.

Latana I can believe that, actually. They are utterly evil people who have no genuine interest in negotiation or compromise.

meditrina · 04/02/2015 00:44

Yes, air strikes are still happening. According to The Guardian, there were 34 over last weekend.

Is it remotely realistic to think that air strikes will make much difference though?

Unless/until there are governments in both Iraq and Syria that are strong enough to govern, can it be stamped out? What would a government of that strength look like?

gordonpym · 04/02/2015 01:08

I have no words.
And no solution, which is even worse. What can be done. To whom? Where? How?
This is so cruel. Poor man, poor family and poor civilians living there.

Solightly · 04/02/2015 01:33

Part of me feels that Bush and Blair are responsible for the huge mess and turmoil.

flummoxedlummox · 04/02/2015 01:35

Sickening, as is the concerted international inaction. They all seemed to be concerned about other factors when in the face of this, really? And only such a short time after some recent significant anniversaries. Angry

meditrina · 04/02/2015 06:52

flummoxedlummox

What action should/could the international community be taking? And, if it involves fighting, what does the post-conflict settlement look like? Who rules where?

AuntieStella · 04/02/2015 07:19

Two executed in Jordan this morning

CaroleService · 04/02/2015 07:30

Should any ISIS member / sympathiser who is captured by charged with this murder? Are all complicit?

Arsenic · 04/02/2015 07:37

Yes, air strikes are still happening. According to The Guardian, there were 34 over last weekend.

I hope all the pilots are being issued with suicide pills.

Any notion of captured personnel being returned safely via hostage exchange or ransom has to be thoroughly discredited now. Capture is death.

fromparistoberlin73 · 04/02/2015 08:09

There are no words

I am in tears as this is my worst phobia and I cannot beleive they did this to a human being

Rest in peace

His poor poor family

ExitPursuedByABear · 04/02/2015 08:14

That poor man. Although I feared for him as soon as I heard he had been captured.

allingoodfaith · 04/02/2015 08:58

This is what happens when monsters take a book written centuries ago literally word for word.

I live for the day when organised religion is abolished.

pepperpigmustdie · 04/02/2015 09:09

Oh, and I don't believe it's anything to do with religion either

Its got everything to do with religion. They are using religious text to excuse their vile abhorrent acts. A book where every word written is directly from god and must be adhered to.

What a mess this world is in under the disguise of religion. People will never live in peace because of it.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 04/02/2015 09:23

It's impossible to 'wipe these monsters out' because they are relatively small in number and there is no central organisational structure or stated aims. Like the IRA sleeper cells of old, this means they are a very difficult to identify and locate until they do something murderous and then it's too late. Unlike the IRA, there is no scope for negotiation because they don't particularly want anything.

My feeling is that the main objective of those who join what is essentially a minority special interest 'gang' is egoism. They derive pleasure and self esteem from demonstrating to their peers (and a horrified world) that they are bloodthirsty and merciless. It's an extreme sport in which everything else., the religion, the outfits, the videos etc are just window dressing.