Russell Brand wins well-deserved Foot in Mouth award

[claig]

"Yesterday the comedian and self-styled revolutionary was honoured with an award – for speaking gobbledygook.

He won the annual Foot in Mouth prize from the Plain English campiagn, joining the likes of John Prescott and George W Bush."
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"The group’s website said that Brand’s ‘seemingly endless stream of gibberish, both written and verbal’ had clinched the award."
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"Organisers said Brand – who has carved a career out of using many, often inflammatory, words when one would do – was ‘out on his own’ in the competition."

Surely that can't be right? He must have faced stiff competition from the Labour front bench

"The Plain English judges singled out this rant from The Guardian: ‘I felt very connected to activism – particularly activism that feels loaded with potential. Not the oppositional activism that seems like there’s a stasis around it – earnestly sincere, but a monolith.’

How they managed to single this rant out from the rest of the rants in the Guardian beats me. But they are professionals. To me it just seems like New Labour speak without the polar bears.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2858403/Brand-wins-award-gobbledygook.html

claig Fri 05-Dec-14 09:01:36

'...there is a People's Army that is tearing up the Establishment's lawns right now, and as Farage says, it will meet all of the people's needs by ending the corporatist politics.

Once that has been finished off, then new parties will emerge, democracy will be reinvigorated, PR will become our voting system and the unions can then create a leftwing People's Army.'

...And Tooting will finally be free!

claig Fri 05-Dec-14 09:01:36
'...But if the Establishment beat Farage, then nothing will ever change.
The BBC know that. They've invited Brand on to tackle Farage. They've got nothing else left.'

You forgot the Royal Baby is due in April. Look what happened with the Scottish referendum. I fancy the baby's chances against anyone.

Maybe Mr Farage will have an opinion about Kate leaving the hospital ostentatiously?

When the rapture comes we will all have to attone for our sins.

This thread has gone predictably off to the Land of Bat-shit, after taking a detour through Tin Foil Hat City.

It is a thread about Russell Brand. What else could it be about?

Is the people's army actually the people? Wouldn't it be more efficient to tear up your oqn lawn? I'm thinking practically here as the member of a war-like tribe by ancestry. The people's army (assuming this is 'the people' rather than a militia) would otherwise need food and shelter as it moves around the country. I think also the power companies could fall first if people aren't in the house. so perhaps I'm not thinking fullerene enough. I am not sure I want to tear my own lawn up.. or at least the window boxes. . Is it like a wave of united thought or like combined auras or something?

You are thinking too literally, "tearing up their lawns" is metaphorical. It is a sign that they are panicking and that the people have got them on the run.

"Their tanks are digging up my lawn," Sarah Champion, Labour's MP for Rotherham, told the Today programme this morning.

The BBC actively promote the UKIP agenda, if they were actually against Farage then they wouldn't have him on at all.

The amount of airtime that pointless individual gets is unbelievable.

Including him in leaders debates is shocking when the Greens & SNP are excluded.

Like I say, he is being promoted & is as much part of "the establishment" as Cameron et al.

A people's army full of racist, bigoted, misogynistic twats is not something to be proud of.

'Is the people's army actually the people? '

It is made up of the people, yes. That is why it is called the People's Army by the Establishment media.

"As we finished the interview, I noticed another young man hovering close by who wanted to add his view into the mix. He was 18 and had not only voted for Mr Carswell in the by-election but was already a UKIP member who used "we" when talking about Nigel Farage's party."

Members and supporters of the People's Army use teh term "we" and "us" when talking about the People's Army. This is because it is the People's Army, our party. It is not them up in Westminster and Oxbridge with their Damehoods, and Knighthoods and expenses and all of that. It is just us, the People. That is the big difference and that is why they can't stop us. That is why we are "tearing up their lawns".

Their last tactic is to use comedians to mock the People's Army. But it won't work because the people know the game.

This is from Guido Fawkes' website about a Yougov poll

"Public Think Liberal Elite Media Biased Against UKIP
54% Believe Politico-Media Class Trying to Stop UKIP

"Fascinating research from YouGov, confirms what Guido has always believed, you can’t fool the public all the time. The mainstream media’s campaign to demonise UKIP is recognised by the public to be a result of a biased media. UKIP have the Tory press and the left-wing papers / BBC against them, so it is hardly surprising that the public recognise the bias against that party most clearly. It is widely accepted by political strategists that the over-the-top press campaign against UKIP during the European elections in May was so transparently biased that it had no negative effect and probably counter-productively bolstered UKIP’s vote.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time…"

order-order.com/2014/12/05/public-think-liberal-elite-media-biased-against-ukip-54-believe-politico-media-class-trying-to-stop-ukip/

Here is Yougov article

"British voters are far more likely to think news coverage is biased against UKIP than the other main parties

Ahead of this week’s European Parliament and local elections, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has repeatedly had to defend his party – and himself – against accusations of racism and bigotry. In a recent interview he characterised the source of the attacks as “a political class, clubbing together using their mates in the media and doing anything they can to stop the UKIP charge”. Views about UKIP and race have been decidedly mixed in YouGov’s recent polling: while most think the party seems to attract people with racist, extreme or odd views, the public disagreed with criticisms that UKIP’s campaign adverts were themselves “racist”.

The latest YouGov research suggests that when it comes to the news media coverage about UKIP, many British voters agree with Mr Farage’s general view. In fact, by 47-13% voters say the news media is biased against UKIP rather than in favour of them. Another 20% say news coverage of UKIP is basically fair and balanced, but the strong overall tilt towards a negative bias is unique to UKIP among the major parties.

Interestingly, the tendency to see coverage as biased against UKIP is largely non-partisan. Majorities of UKIP (77%) and Conservative (53%) supporters take this view, as well as pluralities of Lib Dems (31%) and Labour (40%)."

yougov.co.uk/news/2014/05/20/voters-think-media-more-biased-against-UKIP/

They can't stop the people. Brand is their last hope.

Fanny, I agree with you. Every word.
It's scary.

claig, and I find your need to proselytise really strange, really strange.

You know you're right, very few people here agree with you, those of us who don't you won't convince, so why put the effort in to typing your epic posts?

My concern is that 'the people' are being misled by a pied piper who is a self-interested upper class twit with a dangerous agenda. The last time that happened it ended rather badly.

you do know PPE is a degree subject and not a qualification in its own right only given out to 'The Establishment' don't you?

of course you do, there was a whole thread about it a few weeks ago

If you have highlighted OP posts you always know when its a claig thread when you open it and 90% of it is one colour.

'The BBC actively promote the UKIP agenda, if they were actually against Farage then they wouldn't have him on at all. '

FannyFifer, they have to have him on because of the huge public support. It would be too transparent if they didn't have him on. The public would smell a rat just as they already do about the Establishment media bias against UKIP.

What the Establishment hope is that their clever Oxbridge PPEs, Baronesses, Sirs and metropolitan mates will be able to mock UKIP when they are let on TV. They hope the packed audiences will boo them and call them "bigots" from the floor. They hope that comedians will call Farage "that racist geezer". They hope the public will fall for it. But their mistake is that they disrespect the people and the people are too sharp for all their tricks.

'why put the effort in to typing your epic posts'

Because I'm having a laugh. I think it's funny. I'm not trying to convince anyone. I don't care if people disagree, because lots of voters do agree as the Clacton landslide showed.

But even though it is a laugh, even though TrumptonUKIP is a laugh, even though Brand vs Farage on the BBC is a laugh and is great entertainment, it is also serious to because it shows the changes that are coming in the country.

The Establishment, the metropolitan elite are out of touch and now everybody knows it and they know it to. Politics is witnessing the biggest upheaval in 100 years, the two Establishment parties are slowly dying. In Scotland, Labour are down but not yet out. In the rest of the UK we are only witnessing the beginning of their decline, but it will come because they no longer represent the people.

Brand can't stop it, King Canute can't stop it because it is the popular will.

Claig if you are doing all this for a laugh, and by 'this' I mean:

• Linking to various articles whenever someone disagrees with you
• Speaking about NF as if he is The Messiah Returned
• Sound as if you have been inducted into a cult
• Have obviously obsessively pored over enough propaganda literature that you regurgitate "isms" like "PPE" and "tearing up lawns" and "Establishment"
• make your posts rhyme in a not-amusing but she's-lost-the-plot way
• starting a thread every few days which is political or, more precise, UKIP-related

then

you need a new hobby.

But I like having a laugh, and I also believe in what I say so it is very easy for me to back up my opinions with links etc.

When I speak about Farage, I am exaggerating for a laugh, for effect. He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy. But he is tearing up their lawns and just like millions of other voters, I think it is a great laugh and of course will eventually lead to real, serious change such as proporortioanl representation where every ordinary perspn's vote will count and I think that is fantastic.

Politics is fantastic because it is about democracy, about the people. And that is also why it is fun. We have a great tradition in our country of mocking our "elites" of taking them down a peg or two. It goes right back to Hogarth and is represented by our great political cartoonists such as Steve Bell and all the rest. And Brand is fantastic too, because he mocks them, mocks Farage, mocks Cameron etc and that is brilliant because it is the people who count and not them, and we are allowed to laugh at them.

That is why UKIP Trumpton is brilliant and why we need more fun in politics, so that everybody can join in and we can then prick the bubble of pomposity of these spinners from Oxbridge on our TVs who spout party speak, spin and sometimes lies that ignore the people's real concerns.

Politics is a laugh because it is serious. Don't let them drown us in dreariness. Put Brand on TV and let the fun begin. Give politics back to the people, take it out of the hands of these Oxbridge elites.

But the people aren't being represented...maybe the people YOU care about are...but the people I care about aren't. If anything they are feeling threatened and scared.

And to me, that's not funny.

They tried to "professionalise" our PMQs, to ruin the only thing in Westminster that most ordinary people ever watch. People like the jokes, they like the laughs, they don't want to watch a boring committee meeting of "professionalised" Oxbridge graduates discussing pig-iron production figures.

Lots of ordinary people like UKIP and Farage because they have shaken the whole system up, they have got them panicked. The elite aren't laughing, but millions of us are.

"Their tanks are digging up my lawn," Sarah Champion, Labour's MP for Rotherham, told the Today programme this morning.

Labour aren't laughing, but millions of us are the more we see them being shaken up.

...but you've said that quote a few times, now.

Ok, I'm out.

I am a person with my very own lawn. UKIP don't represent me.

I also didnt go to Oxbridge, and am not a darling of the establishment.

What your frankly ridiculous ranting is ignoring is that the actual majority of people in this country are neither upper class members of the establishment nor rabid UKIP supporters.

ANd if you look at the stats most ordinary people do not watch pmqs.

'But the people aren't being represented...maybe the people YOU care about are...but the people I care about aren't. If anything they are feeling threatened and scared.'

But they are finally being represented. Clacton was the biggest landslide in British postwar parliamentary history. Finally people told them what they thought of them. But that is not everybody. There are other people who vote Green or even Labour or Tory. No one party can represent everybody. That is why we have democracy where different people vote for different parties.

UKIP are doing everybody a favour because they will by 2020 have busted up the cosy consensus two-party system and that will open up new possibilities for new parties who will represent different people. The old ways are over, the old days are over, we won't be seeing so many Oxbridge PPEs on our TVs in 15 years' time, we will be seeing people from Chester, Bath, Exeter, Essex and from further edication colleges etc. We will see ordinary people not the Establishment's hand-picked helpers.

UKIP will bring in a PR voting system. The Greens will benefit from that. The old parties are dying because they represent the Esatblishment, new parties will be created that represent the people.

UKIP may only be a temporary phenomenon, the catalyst that breaks up the cosy cartel. But there is no turning back the clock, the spinners from Oxbridge are slowly on their way out.

And all of these changes are not occurring for no reason. They have to ccur because the people have had enough. That is why nothing the Establishment can do will stop the change. Russell Brand won't be able to help them.