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The white van has been transformed to a Harrods van and the England flag is now a Hammer and Sickle so Mrs Hyacinth Bouquet, Labour MP feels more at home

And from the UKIP party that for election after election has intimated to voters that only UKIP could and would bring the UK out of the EU and LIED - this current electoral mistruth is PRICELESS, from newly elected and purple re-labelled ’ kipper - introducing the 'product' from the good people of Rochester & Strood, heeeeres Mark Reckless.

“David Cameron won't win a majority, insists Mark Reckless”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11247738/David-Cameron-wont-win-a-majority-insists-Mark-Reckless.html

”Newly-elected Ukip MP says Prime Minister will need Nigel Farage's party to deliver an in-out referendum on EU membership after General Election”

Yet UKIP ensure Labour WILL get back into power in 2015, especially as they found in 2010, taking votes from mainstream parties don't mean Westminster seats as nearly 1 million didn't produce one.

Farage KNOWS this and similar to the last several years, is lying to the electorate on what voting for UKIP can achieve bringing us out of the EU, and has his own Westminster agenda that does not include the possibility of an EU Referendum.

Moreover as UKIP’s rich backers and Farage are relying on political, economic, financial and social chaos over the next 5-10 years, increasing UKIP’s (and their) Westminster power on UK domestic issues.

“Farage backs Miliband for PM; UKIP wants Labour to win the next General Election because it fears Cameron could win an EU Referendum.”
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793688/farage-backs-miliband-ukip-want-labour-win-election-fear-cameron-win-eu-referendum.html

“(Nov 2014) Nigel Farage: UKIP could do deal with Labour”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30029004
UKIP could support a minority Labour government after the next general election, Nigel Farage has said.

In conclusion; the British public can not believe a SINGLE WORD out of Farage’s ‘people party’ mouths or via UKIP manifestos, as the man who has tried to become a Westminster MP six-times before, will say absolutely ANYTHING to get power.

And this is the UKIP solution to better politics and politicians ‘the people’ can trust?

NancyJones, you asked

"Why is only the south considered aspirational? "

And I said because when they say that, they use it in the sense of explaining why the South voted Thatcher and not for Labour.

And this is the use you were referring to, by the leftwing editor of the New Statesman, referring to why Labour are unpopular in what he calls the "aspirational" South and nothing has changed in that respect since Thatcher's days.

"Draw a metaphorical line from the Wash estuary in Norfolk to the River Severn. South of the Severn-Wash line, excluding London, there are 197 seats, of which Labour holds ten. In the aspirational English south the party is hugely unpopular — and becoming more so."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2844865/Ed-s-snooty-elite-hates-patriotism-says-editor-left-wing-journal-triggered-Labour-leadership-crisis.html

And by default you are saying that that is what aspirational means when it does not.
And what about my husband? He's a lawyer , Oxbridge at that, both of which you sneer at. Yet you can see from my link where he grew up. Hardly a bastion of privilege!

And Osborne knows that that is the perception of Labour in the South of England, that it does not help the aspirations of ordinary people and that is why he started using the line that the Conservatives were for "an aspiration nation". He didn't have to explain which party would help in that aspiration.

Aspiration has become associated with conservative values, particularly since Thatcher's days

"But it’s the votes of the people who reject Notting Hill as Hollywood fakery that Cameron really needs to win. Recognising this conundrum, the PM sought to speak to both in an address which tackled the Ukip heartland issues of immigration and Europe, Labour battle lines on the NHS and low pay, and which gave the strongest nod yet to the blue-collar conservative values of aspiration , hard work and reward that his party would like to see him publicly embrace."

www.cityam.com/1412190782/notting-hill-dave-embraced-blue-collar-aspiration-take-fight-labour

And here is Labour's Chuka Umunna

"Labour needs to reclaim ambition and aspiration from Tories, says Umunna

Shadow business secretary wades into social mobility debate by saying being ambitious does not make you 'Thatcher's child'

www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/03/labour-tories-umunna

Thatcher changed the country. She was against the class system. She had no respect for the Eton bumbling gang, the progressives, the chatterati, she liked a meritocratic society where people got rewards based on ability not based on who they knew or what school they went to. She busted open the City with the Big Bang and let American banks take over the British merchant banks. She admired talent, not class.

She offered people hope and said if you work hard and try hard then we will give you rewards. You can buy your own home off the council instead of paying them rent for life and you can buy your own shares and we won't tax you highly and you can succeed.

That is why the working classes in Essex voted Thatcher. They said finally someone won't penalise us for putting a hard shift in. It was all about aspiration and hard work and decent rewards. That gave working class people hope.

'He's a lawyer , Oxbridge at that, both of which you sneer at'

I haven't looked at where your husband came from and I don't care. But I like many other people in this country am sick of being run by a Parliament of Oxford barristers and public school boys like Tony Blair and all the rest.

If they are just Oxford lawyers doing law, I don't care, but if the top levels of Parliament are full of them, I start to wonder if this is some sort of self-selecting class who rule over the people of Britain. Give me Thatcher over lawyers like Blair any day.

I believe in diversity and people who are in touch with the people they represent and I want more of those people in parliament.

Claig ... would not know what the UK definition of 'aspiration' was if slapped around the face with it, using a wet kipper.

Our Claig does not like 'modernizers', oh no, unless UKIP ones, who 'modernize' their policies on immigration from Tuesdays to Wednesday. lol

”Ukip MP Mark Reckless left feeling 'sore' after Nigel Farage 'changed immigration policy'”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-mp-mark-reckless-left-feeling-sore-after-nigel-farage-changed-immigration-policy-9877429.html

”Speaking to The Times, Mr Reckless suggested Mr Farage had altered his stance on immigration after the controversy surrounding EU migrant policy broke.”

“He said: "Until Nigel changed it on Wednesday, the policy of the party was everyone can stay for the transitional period, no doubt about that, that there would then be a permanent arrangement which would be part of the EU negotiation."

I reiterate, the UK electorate can NOT believe a single written or spoken word, UKIP/Farage utters.

Thatcher wanted a property owning democracy where social mobility helped people rise and where ambition and aspiration were possible and were rewarded.

Shne admired business people above barristers.

Now people can't afford to buy homes, London is out of reach for most ordinary people and social mobility has declined and there are more Old Etonians in the Cabinet than there have been since probably 1880.

Thatcher believed in business, in entreprise and admired that because they create wealth and spread prsoperity to ordinary people.

...although usually Mr Farage 'modernizes' policies AFTER the votes are in and the poll booths closed ... like his whole 2010 General Election manifesto.

'New' politics folks, Farage is embracing a Banana Republic, well their voting system anyways.

And speaking of banan republic, Farage is going to totally reform our postal voting system that has been allowed to continue for too long.

"Judge slates 'banana republic' postal voting system

A senior judge made a scathing attack on the postal voting system yesterday, condemning the government for complacency in the face of fraud which would disgrace a "banana republic".
Richard Mawrey QC, presiding over a special election court in Birmingham, warned that there were no realistic systems in place to detect or prevent postal voting fraud at the general election. "Until there are, fraud will continue unabated," he said.

He found six Labour councillors in Birmingham guilty of carrying out "massive, systematic and organised" postal voting fraud to win two wards during last June's elections for the city council. Declaring the results void, he barred the men from standing again in a byelection expected on May 12."

www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/05/politics.localgovernment

So you are ignoring my point? Which is that you have decided that Oxbridge educated lawyers are somehow one set of people. That they are all public school boys without a notion or care for 'ordinary' people. The poverty where DH grew up would make you cry. Open my link and see. Unimaginable to most in the UK. His mother had to chose whether to eat or feed her boys. No spare money but if ever there was a spare £1 it was spent on a second hand book. Her whole mission as a parent was to get them out of the slum. And you're telling me that that's not aspirational! Really! And I know you picked it up from your link but you have still used it to mean a certain type of aspiration. So to you aspiration = X and Oxford Lawyer =Y

Claig ... there you go with the class thang again.... there were NO old or new Eatonians in the government from 1997 to 2010, and when you look at the state of the State in 1997, and again in 2010 - there is a huge difference in the economy, government debt, immigration, the price of homes, the availability of homes, the homeless waiting for social homes etc etc etc.

So once again, you are totally talking out of a head-firmly-up-own-bum.

NancyJones, I am not saying you or your husband are not aspirational, I am explaining what the editor of teh leftwing New Statesman means about the "aspirational" South and their dislike of Labour and why they dislike Labour and why they liked Thatcher and why former lawyer, Chuka Umunna, said

"Labour needs to reclaim ambition and aspiration from Tories, says Umunna

Shadow business secretary wades into social mobility debate by saying being ambitious does not make you 'Thatcher's child'

"So to you aspiration = X and Oxford Lawyer =Y"

I said I don't care about Oxford lawyers doing law, but I am against the preponderance of lawyers, barristers, often from Oxford, etc in our parliament. I think something is wrong, I think it is strange. I believe in diversity. I want more people who have run businesses or worked in industry or worked in factories or worked driving white vans in there, because I think it is unhealthy for our society to be ruled by a millionaire class of lawyers and Oxbridge and Eton graduates who are divorced from the people.

That is why UKIP is so popular because they are out of touch and Farage is in touch.

I think the editor of the leftwing New Statesman is right that these people are out of touch with the aspirations of ordinary, hardworking people.

"I’ve mocked Miliband for being a Hampstead socialist who does not understand lower-middle-class aspiration. Like Emily Thornberry, he lives in a grand house in North London. He studied politics, philosophy and economics at Oxford, the obligatory degree for our out-of-touch political class, and then, because he was considered ‘Labour aristocracy’, went straight to work for Gordon Brown at the Treasury.
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Draw a metaphorical line from the Wash estuary in Norfolk to the River Severn. South of the Severn-Wash line, excluding London, there are 197 seats, of which Labour holds ten. In the aspirational English south the party is hugely unpopular — and becoming more so.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2844865/Ed-s-snooty-elite-hates-patriotism-says-editor-left-wing-journal-triggered-Labour-leadership-crisis.html

'In the aspirational English south the party is hugely unpopular — and becoming more so.'

Why do you think Labour, outside of London, are "hugely unpopular" on the South. Why?

We are not all rich toffs down here. There are lots of working class and struggling squuezed middle down here, but we don't like Labour because we think they won't help us, our aspirations will be thwarted by that class of millionaire human rights lawyers, and that they might even sneer at us if we work hard and drive white vans and put an England flag up.

We voted Tory because we didn't like Labour, but now we have an alternative - a working and middle class UKIP party of the people - so we don't need to vote for the Eton Tories any more, now we can vote for the real thing - the People's Party and that is why Clacton and Rochester delivered UKIP wins in spite of a Tory Prime Minister throwing the kitchen sink at it.

Thatcher's children are back and this time they are voting UKIP and as Peter Hitchens says, nothing will ever be the same again

"If the Tories can’t hold Rochester, politics in this country will change deeply and forever. If they do hold it, politics in this country will remain the same. That’s quite an incentive to vote – whatever way you feel."

Claig .... coming up to a General Election, the days of UKIP (and you) using anti politics machine guns attacking the main political party's WITHOUT any replies, questioning your political sniping/ignorance/smears are over - get used to it

Furthermore you will need to answer enquiries of what UKIP actually OFFERS voters that is new, behind the so called 'need' for a far right party we have (apparently) all been gagging for.

So if Farage is going to change policies daily, depending on his audience, not just Tuesdays to Wednesdays, you are going to be a busy bunny - so 'strap yourself in, it's gonna be a bumpy ride'.lol

So my initial advice is, cut out the three main party soundbite slur rollocks, and keep abreast of what the Farage Oracle is uttering, day to day.

Claig, you can continue to link to and quote the same thing over and over. It doesn't make it true.

Farage may well be in touch with the ordinary folk of Essex and Kent but my point remains that they are not the ordinary folk of the country as a whole.

And Thatcher, as I'm sure you know, is an Oxford educated chemist who became a barrister. So whilst she may well admire business, I doubt she had a problem with barristers.

P.S. Get your first UKIP win without a sitting Conservative MP, before getting too excited about what the media are saying; they need something edgy to write, you need to ask yourself, how did two backbench Tory twats achieve what 558 UKIP candidates in 2010, couldn't?

They were sitting MP twats, try in with the bigger UKIP ones first for a trend.

'I doubt she had a problem with barristers.'

You are right, she didn't, she liked a good coffee just like everyone else.

'Farage may well be in touch with the ordinary folk of Essex and Kent but my point remains that they are not the ordinary folk of the country as a whole.'

I think within 5 years, at the 2020 election, Farage will be tearing chunks out of the Labour working class vote all over the North of England, because Farage has more popular appeal than the entire Oxbridge PPE front bench of the Labour Party put together. But we will have to wait and see for that.

"Margaret Thatcher listened to voters – now it’s Nigel Farage who hears their despair

Ukip is no longer a single-issue party, it is widening its scope and enjoys the common touch with core voters that the main parties lack"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/9987168/Margaret-Thatcher-listened-to-voters-now-its-Nigel-Farage-who-hears-their-despair.html

"Nigel Farage: The main parties don’t listen to the working classes

Ukip is drawing support not just from disaffected Tories — its message now resonates with voters from all sides"

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/nigel-farage-the-main-parties-dont-listen-to-the-working-classes-9181460.html

And in that article there is a picture of the Three Amigos - two Oxford PPEs and one Cambridge something. It's all over, Farage is going to trounce all three by 2020.

I really take issue with this 'far right' tag that the media seems determined to try to pin on UKIP.

Right wing, yes, but very similar to what the Conservative party was 20 years ago.

Wants grammar schools, wants controlled immigration, wants to leave the EU - nothing far right there

Wants bedroom tax scrapped, wants tax threshold raised to minimum wage, wants free tuition fees for science and maths degrees, wants buy out of PFI NHS contracts - seems pretty left wing to me.

Unfortunately the BBC is determined to smear the party in the hope that something sticks. The BBC prefers go focus on ideas that never became policies than the stated policies which UKIP have reiterated, but the Beeb prefers to ignore. Perhaps the BBC is scared of losing the big million £ handouts that it gets from the EU.

And hardly a mention that James Dyson said yesterday he thought the UK would do better outside the EU. No, the BBC prefer yo quote the CBI, the same organisation that urged us to join the Euro, the same organisation that gets millions of £ from the EU.

I see a pattern emerging

Claig ..... from your posts above and failure to understand the difference between Conservative Thatchers core policies and Conservative Cameron's clearly you do not understand - 'the people's' choice you think failed Tory and BNP lite Farage is, EXISTS NOW IN SUBSTANCE, NOT SOUNDBITE.

In arguing for Thatcher's appear creating 'aspiration', if Cameron by revitalizing business in several ways, bringing down the cost of government, building more council homes in 4-years than Labour did in 13-years, creating 1.8 million jobs, and instigating various reforms like (improving/better preparing for work) Education ISN'T similar to Thatcher, who the fluck is????

Your trying to sell a pup, to a public that already has one (so to speak).lol

Well I consider myself left wing yet I think the bedroom tax should be extended to include pensioners but give more leeway to the disabled and those in areas where there simply isn't housing stock for them to downsize to.
I also pay for my kids to go to school. Doesn't mean I'm right wing as I believe in paying sufficient tax to make sure all schools are of a decent standard. I'm not right wing because I don't believe in the fundamental viewpoint of holding on to all my earnings to spend as I please. I believe in giving over a reasonable proportion to help those who cannot help themselves. Therefore tax cutting policies don't appeal to ordinary folk like me and DH who both grew up on council estates (his far worse than mine) and both saw education as the way out rather than just enterprise. Nothing wrong with enterprise but it's not the only way.

WetAugust ... we may be better outside the EU, BUT UKIP CANNOT DELIVER IT, IT HAS NOT DELIVERED IT IN 21-YEARS, and didn't with 24 shiney, expensive MEPs, it won't with 24 shiney MP's - so why the hell do you keep perpetuating the UKIP lie that voting UKIP brings the UK out of the EU???

The BBC has given more 'air' to UKIP than they ever deserved, and if UKIP wants power, it comes with responsibility - asking what they stand for from one day to next, becomes increasing relevant and important - as Farage has more policy 'flip flops', than pairs of sandals at a Lib Dem conference.