New sandwich factory seeks workers from Hungary, says not enough locals applied

[claig]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827625/Factory-bosses-forced-recruit-Hungary-locals-not-apply.html

What type of contracts are on offer? Could it be zero contract etc?

WetAugust....

How many recessions do you know started with the lowest Bank of England Base Rate since the BoE was formed in 1600 and numpty five, whatever? Usually Base Rates rise over double digits, we get a relatively quick major job loss, and as conditions hit bottom, interest rates start falling and people start hiring again - this one was completely ass-about-face, yet we are dong better than every European country, no credit there then.

Re Public Sector, local levels are up to local Hospital Trusts to manage, isn't that all part of this local devolution shit, but overall should be as large as it needs to be - but with all the increased demands on it, its tough to know where that is, especially in the NHS and schools. What were you in the 1990's, I'd guess a prison guard. lol

THis post story if hiring in 2016, is a non story, get over it.

The Lib Dems/Clegg do not have to teach Conservatives how to lower taxes, they did from 1979 to 1997 from very high 1978 punitive levels, but I'll grant most of the worker reforms were prob theirs.

Labour cancelled the 10p starting income tax rate rate into a recession that 'real' pay rates were falling from around 2008, and put up NI before left, there would be no new factories and even worse unemployment, and cost of living crisis, so thats what it has to do with it - that was the choice in 2010, UKIP didn't know what the hell they were doing re any additional cuts in their manifesto, they still don't, all givaways.

Big Business tax dodgers as the rich, Osborn had cut many loopholes, the OECD is trying to get all countries to agree, to cut others - no doubt in the 'Cult', a Farage decree 'There will be no tax dodgers' will close every tax loophole in the world, not just any left in the UK - as if you don't close them globally, it only takes one for them, for many to register a Head Office there.

Re pay, how do companies in competition here and internationally compensate via the payroll for external forces e.g. the price of homes, mortgages/rents, a Council Tax going up 110% over 13-years - pricing their goods above the market place until go out of business?

Isn't that why we lost most of our industry in the 1970's, and if so easy to 'create' jobs, why did we lose 1 million manufacturing jobs from 1997 to 2005, during a low interest rate, consumption, global boom??

Isitmebut

A master class in how to influence people - NOT!

Here's one I heard earlier today:

If you were a shop-keeper and your former customers started shopping elsewhere you should not stand in the doorway of your shop and shout abuse at them as they walk by.

Very good advice for you... and Grant Snaps... and......

WetAugust …. I’m sorry if the FACTS don’t appeal to Cult Farage and his minion’s anti politics, anti immigration, only UKIP can save the county propaganda.

It has been the worst Western recession in depth and duration since the 1930’s Great Depression, and although ‘the people’ throughout Europe are frustrated and turning to far right parties like UKIP for ‘magic dust’ solutions, there aren’t any – but clearly that is what UKIP SHOP IS SELLING THEM.

If business investment/job growth was so easy, why don’t you think OTHER governments have manged it?

”European unemployment crisis”
www.economicshelp.org/blog/1247/economics/european-unemployment-2/

“Unemployment in many European countries has risen sharply due to the credit crunch and global recession. The worst hit countries include Spain (ES) and Greece (EL), who both have unemployment rates of over 24%. In the past few months, there has been a slight reduction in European unemployment, but, the prolonged period of mass unemployment is leaving significant social and economic problems for the whole Eurozone.”

• Unemployment rate in the Eurozone area: 11.5% (July 2014)
• EU-28 Unemployment is slightly lower at 10.2% (July 2014)
• Total unemployment in the EU-28 is 24.850 million (July 2014)
• The Eurozone (EA-18) jobless total is now 18.409 million. (link) The highest since records began.
• Youth unemployment rates in the EU 27 is 21.8% (July 2014)
• The lowest unemployment rates are in Austria (4.9 %) and Germany (4.9 %). The highest rates are in Greece (27.2 % in January 2014) and Spain (24.5 %).
• By comparison, unemployment in Japan is 3.6%, and in US 6.8%. UK unemployment is 6.5%

Uk unemployment is now lower than 6.5%, but explains why net immigration has RISEN in the UK, as the unemployed in both the mature and emerging EU countries, try to get jobs here as while WE don’t think we have a dynamic economy because many don't feel better off, overseas they see it - as they feel WORSE OFF on several levels.

Did you enjoy the promised vote on the EAW?

Thought not

WetAugust … I show you the governments achievements for the people in a very unstable world economy, while you focus on the European Arrest Warrant; how very UKIP, but I can see from the UKIP leaflet below that the EAW rather than 1.8 million new jobs since 2010, means more to UKIP.

But that is UKIP and similar far right parties all over Europe’s M.O., offer nothing tangible to the electorate reeling from a great recession, while spreading negativity and fear on relatively minor issues UKIP pretend put them ‘in touch’ with the electorate - who don’t understand how much worse it could have been.

Or indeed could still get after 2015, if parliament is too fragmented.

This is typical of UKIP in a leaflet coming through the doors in Essex a friend recently showed me. Spot the cynical campaigning designed for all parties voters UKIP tells us puts them ‘in touch’ with those voters? Spot the tricksy lack of mainstream issues UKIP don’t care about, but also might alienate one party’s voters or another?

“We’ve been let down by Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dem governments for too long”.

“For 20-years indentikit governments have ridden roughshod …..choices appear the same…made very little difference.”

”The record of failure speaks for itself.”

• Ruinous Middle East wars that made matters worse, not better.
• Appalling neglect and abuse of children in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford and elsewhere.
• Innocent, caring parents imprisoned under a European Arrest Warrant.
• Open borders for convicted murderers from Europe to come in and out.
• Another wave of migrants at Calais, desperate to reach our benefits system.
• And they made a total hash of the Scottish Independence debate.

“Enough is enough….we can’t let this go on….we’re governed by a clueless class of professional politicians out of touch and out of ideas.”

And THIS is the party that wants to change British politics; into WHAT for gods sake?

Clearly nothing has changed over the past few years, as UKIP’s message is not what they can positively offer society, the economy and other mainstream issues, it is peddling negativity on smaller issues that individually COULD be attributed to a single political party – rather than use such blanket propaganda to pretend in is the whole of Westminster fault, and somehow UKIP would be ‘different’.

“Ukip Founder Professor Alan Sked Says The Party Is 'Morally Dodgy' and 'Extraordinarily Right-Wing'”
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-morally-dodgy_n_2190987.html

“However, he may have won support from an unusual quarter - the founder and former leader of Ukip, Professor Alan Sked, says the party he launched in 1993 has become "extraordinarily right-wing" and is now devoted to "creating a fuss, via Islam and immigrants. They've got nothing to say on mainstream issues."

"Its extraordinary," Sked told the HuffPost UK, "that at the last general election, with the country facing the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, [Ukip's] flagship policy was to ban the burqa."

"They're not an intellectually serious party.”

"They're not an intellectually serious party.”

If you mean they are not PPEs, then you are right. They never said they were.

All they said is that they were the People's Party. They never claimed that they were part of the liberal intelligentsia or that they were all members of Mensa. Although Farage would surely qulaify for Mensa based on the way that he trounced in debate one of the top minds that the metropolitan elite has got - Cleggy.

They are a party for ordinary people, not for pseudo-intellectuals and the metropolitan elite. That is why they are so popular.

LittleBairn, I agree with you 100% about these zero hours contracts. I think it is a disgrace that they have been allowed to become so common. What the hell were teh unions doing? How come nobody protected the rights of ordinary working people.

UKIP's Employment spokesman says that they will make it law for a company to have to offer permanent work to anybody who has worked on a zero hours contract for a period of one year, if they want permanent work. But this is still not good enough.

I am disgusted by the media's reporting of this story. The Mail, as usual, are trying to blame benefits, but nobody, not even liberal Channel 4 News, has told us what the terms and conditions of these contracts at the sandwich making factory are. We are expected to believe that British workers are too lazy to stand on their feet to work making sandwiches, and that hardworking Eastern Europeans will. I don't buy that and feel there must be something we are not being told by the media about the terms and conditions of these jobs.

I have worked in a minimum wage job before so I know what it is like and how hard people work and how much they need that money to live. I know how desperate people are to work overtime so that they can pay their bills.
I don't think we are getting the full story from the media.

Claig .... re your gasted flabber of this story YOU highlighted, for jobs to appear sometime in 2016 - and what "UKIP's Employment spokesman says" - the problem is, no matter what UKIP say or WRITE DOWN today, could be wiped from UKIP history/cyberspace, tomorrow.

“UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire (2010) general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel”.
news.sky.com/story/1200525/nigel-farage-disowns-ukip-manifesto-as-drivel

“UKIP spokesman Michael Heaver confirmed that the party’s 2010 election manifesto had been removed. While the party now opposes the planned high-speed north-south rail line, the 2010 document advocated building three new routes. “We’re in the process of updating everything,” Heaver said by telephone. “We’re going through a policy review.”
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/u-k-parties-prepare-for-2015-by-erasing-web-histories.html

“Both these are outdone by the U.K. Independence Party, which has no record of any speeches made before March this year. The earliest news item is leader Nigel Farage’s New Year 2013 message.

WetAugust ... back to low pay, you said something along the lines of 'if a company cannot pay people, they should not exist', which is similar to what they said in the 1970's - and now those British companies NO LONGER EXIST.

Better to have no job, rather than low pay that could go up, eh?

You see in the real world, companies, needing to price their goods/services are globally competing with the likes of China, still competitive, who 20-years ago had salaries a fraction of ours, and don’t have most of these extra costs of business to worry about ON TOP of a MINIMUM WAGE - that might be set by government socially, without any commercial considerations.

Higher Corporation Tax.

Higher Income Tax compensation (salary) for senior staff, using international remuneration scales.

Higher regulatory/red tape costs.

Higher National Insurance costs.

Higher Fuel Escalator costs,

Higher costs of government intervention e.g. Energy Company ‘price freezes’.

Higher Interest Rate/Borrowing Costs as they ‘normalize’ to historic averages, with or without a 2015 threat of a lame duck coalition parliament, requiring the UK to offer government bond investors interest rate risk premium.

If governments either don’t care about business conditions, or continually INCREASE the COST of a company existing, doing business reducing Research and Development and other new investment budgets - just like in the 1970’s and the manufacturing jobs lost in the years BEFORE the late 2007 crash – those companies/jobs will no longer exist.

In Conclusion; if lean, efficient, governments kept THEIR costs/taxes down, there will be more businesses and jobs, and the Low Pay Commission could judge the Minimum Wage should be a lot higher for workers, also benefiting from keeping more of their own money, via lower taxes.

'You see in the real world, companies, needing to price their goods/services are globally competing with the likes of China'

Are China now selling us sandwiches as well?

No wonder the Daily Mail asked the valid question
"Is there anybody left in Britain who can make a sandwich?"

But they also should have asked the questions
"Is there anybody left in Britain who can run the country?" with a picture of Farage alongside the article.
and
"Is there anybody left in Parliament who is not two sandwiches short of a picnic"

there are plenty of companies out there Isitmebut abusing the system by paying a minimum wage in the knowledge the Govt will top it up. they then announce very large profits each year.
I reiterate - if a company cannot afford to pay reasonable wages then it should dither raise it's visits if hi bust. The UK tax layer us not there to subside Scrooge employers

WetAugust ..... Re your unqualified statement about companies 'abusing the system' that assumes they are paying under the going rate - where there are other companies that ARE paying more.

“Thousands of low-paid Britons set for pay rise”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29870309

”Thousands of UK workers are set for a pay rise after a surge in the number of companies signed up to the Living Wage.”

”The number of companies has more than doubled in the last year, meaning 35,000 low-paid workers will see their pay rise when the wage is increased on Monday, Citizens UK said.”

“UK 'living wage' raised to £7.85 an hour”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29873409

”The UK "living wage" - an hourly rate based on the amount needed to cover the basic costs of living - has been raised by 20p to £7.85.”

”The voluntary wage - set by the Living Wage Foundation - is now 21% higher than the compulsory National Minimum Wage, which is currently £6.50 an hour.”

”The rate in London will rise from £8.80 an hour to £9.15, the mayor, Boris Johnson, announced.”

”However, some business groups said employers might struggle to pay it.”

”The living wage has been adopted by more than 1,000 employers across the country, benefiting 35,000 workers”

Not many I grant you, but relative to Europe (who we very much rely on for around 50% of our trade), who do you think has the chance over the next year of increasing earnings, the UK, or the Eurozone, with nearly twice our unemployment and economically stagnating?

P.S. To many, a job is socially more than just a pay-slip, so you clearly neither understand the external pressures of running a small to medium sized company, or relief/self respect of not having to claim a Job Seekers allowance etc.

Claig ... re Farage in Westminster and sandwiches .... may I point out Mr Farage in Westminster, wants to take the taxpayers 'lunch' as well.

“Nigel Farage calls for MP pay rise to £100,000 - just weeks before announcing where he will stand in 2015”
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-calls-for-mp-pay-rise-to-100000--just-weeks-before-announcing-where-he-will-stand-in-2015-9593756.html

"Five million paid less than living wage, says KPMG"

"One in five workers in the UK is paid less than required for a basic standard of living, a report has said.

The proportion is much higher among waiters and bar staff, at up to 90% of workers, the research for accountants KPMG suggested.

It said that nearly five million people failed to command the living wage - a pay packet that enabled a basic standard of living.

The rate stands at £8.30 an hour in London and £7.20 in the rest of the UK.

This rate is voluntary, unlike the National Minimum Wage - the amount that employers must pay by law, which is set at £6.19 an hour for those aged 21 and over."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20104177

It is rubbish to say that people are too lazy to work for the minimum wage, because millions do work for that because in many cases those are the only jobs on offer. That is why I would like to know what the terms and conditions of these sandwich making jobs are.

If the firm can afford to build a £35 million factory, then it must be able to pay wages that attract local workers.

It is not about cutting benefits to get people into work because millions already work for minimum wage. And going to Eastern Europe to find workers just allows employers to get away with not offering attractive enough employment terms and conditions for local people to earn a living wage so that they can pay their bills and live a decent life.

First thing I thought when I saw the story was - if the lack of unemployment in the area means they can't get workers... why didn't they open their factory somewhere where there are people in need of jobs?!

"Exclusive: Numbers choosing to leave nursing rise by 26%

25 November, 2013 | By Shaun Lintern

The numbers of nurses actively choosing to leave the profession has jumped 26% since the coalition government came into power, Nursing Times can reveal."

www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-practice/specialisms/management/exclusive-numbers-choosing-to-leave-nursing-rise-by-26/5065685.article

What are they going to do next, go to Eastern Europe to find nurses? It's time they started paying hardworking dedicated people what they deserve.

They should slash their modernisers' ring-fenced foreign aid budget, HS2, green taxes, taxpayer subsidies to aristocrats to erect windfarms, subsidisation of lobbying groups and charidees out of taxpayer money and the House of Commons subsidised bar to pay for it.

Good employers pay their workers a living wage. Bad employers think they can dump the costs on the rest of us, by paying workers so little they have to turn to tax credits, housing benefit etc. to survive.

I'd like to know what the pay, terms and conditions of these jobs are and what attempt the company has made to recruit locally. TBH I wouldn't fancy standing at an assembly line for 12 solid hours, it would be exhausting, and for less than it costs to pay the rent and household bills?

Those nursing numbers are open to interpretation Claig. I wouldn't read too much into them. I

You are probably right, WetAugust, I don't know the details.

But here is something about midwives. It is just not good enough for millions of hardworking people.

"One in four midwives thinking of quitting

Nearly a quarter of midwives are considering leaving profession because of resentment over pay and conditions"

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/10439666/One-in-four-midwives-thinking-of-quitting.html

Midwives aren't asking for the moon, just decent wages and conditions. Is that too much to ask, when MPs claimed for moats and heating their stables and flipped their homes out of hardworking taxpayer money?

I only heard about this the other day. How much is going on under our noses that most people have not heard about? Is anyone on the side of the people?

"More than 60 carers for the disabled holding one of the longest strikes in the health service were celebrating on Saturday night as a private equity-owned employer offered a pay deal set to “pave the way” to the end of the industrial action.

After 90 days of strikes by staff transferred from the NHS to work for Care UK on wages cut by up to 35% , the care workers are now set to vote on an offer."

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/08/care-uk-workers-celebrate-pay-offer-strikes

Potentially good news re. Care UK, then. Disgraceful the way people working with some of the most vulnerable are treated - social care really is in a terrible state. 15 minute visits are inhumane, and paying staff under minimum wage (by not counting travel between clients) is also plain wrong.

We've been short of, IIRC, 4,000 midwives for several years now. As the birth rate has climbed, and the proportion of complex pregnancies have increased, midwife numbers have not kept pace - despite repeated promises from ministers.

The NHS has been recruiting from overseas for many years now. Big ethical issue about denuding developing countries of doctors and nurses v. countries perhaps benefiting from remittances...

Yes, there is so much wrong in this country.

Not paying workers for travel time in between visiting patients is just another disgrace and seems to me a bit like this zero hours thing where you only get paid for the time that they deem you are working.

Why isn't sorting this out for people a priority for politicians?

MPs are supposed to be representatives of the people not representatives for business.

It's just a symptom of how far the pendulum has swung in favour of business and to the detriment of the ordinary working person.

What we need is a party that puts the working person first. Historically, that was the role of Labour. Now Labour (like the rest of the LibLabCon) is just a vehicle for rich publically education kids with a PPE degree.

Even Mrs T appreciated that people wanted to work in order to own their own homes etc.

Mere pipe dreams for most of the workforce today.

Claig … the Coalition don’t need any ‘recession, wot recession’ lectures from UKIP on the NHS, nurses or any other LOW PAID workers, as based on UKIP’s last published General Election manifesto, UKIP wanted to slash the public sector numbers, freeze their pensions for many years, and set a 31p Flat Tax/NI rate for workers paying a much lower basic rate now.

“At-a-glance: UKIP general election manifesto”
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm

• Reduce public sector to 1997 size, diverting two million jobs to manufacturing and industry

• Freeze public sector pensions, bringing them "back into line with typical private sector pension provision".

• Raise tax-free threshold on income to £11,500, followed by a flat rate of 31% to replace current income tax and employees' National Insurance (NI)

Claig ... please explain how a UKIP start rate of tax of 31%, would have helped the lower and middle paid classes in the parliament 2010 to 2015 - during a honking great recession seeing 'real' earnings fall - should UKIP have been elected to government back then?

Otherwise your post after post here saying it is the the 'Westminster elite' is 'out of touch' and UKIP has the answers, seems rather....well...lets say disingenuous at best.