New sandwich factory seeks workers from Hungary, says not enough locals applied

[claig]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827625/Factory-bosses-forced-recruit-Hungary-locals-not-apply.html

What type of contracts are on offer? Could it be zero contract etc?

[claig]

This thread is not about UKIP or its tax policy.

If you want to know how UKIP tax and economic policy will get the country out of the mess that the Tories have landed us in, then please start another thread.

A thread based on the valid Daily Mail question "Is there anyone left in Britain who can make a sandwich?" is not the place to discuss the intricacies of UKIP tax policy, just as the question "Is there any moderniser left among the Tories who can organise a piss-up in a brewery?" isn't either.

[Isitmebut]

Claig .... you were the one saying "there is so much wrong in this country", and how much Public Sector/low paid workers are suffering as if you had a magic dust solution - when the party you keep telling us about, would have made their plight far worse.

As it happens, in the 'proven success' department (and may I remind you of the European figures above), I'd suggest the UKIP brewery is now very wet, having been pissed on by the coalition, from a great height.

(Nov 12th) UK Unemployment Stays at 6% as Wage Growth Accelerates.
www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-12/u-k-unemployment-stays-at-6-as-wage-growth-accelerates.html

“Unemployment fell by 115,000 to 1.96 million, marking the smallest decline since the three months to February, while the number of people in work climbed 112,000 to 30.8 million.”

”Excluding bonuses, pay growth accelerated 0.4 percentage point to 1.3 percent, beating consumer-price inflation for the first time since September 2009, the ONS said. Inflation stands at 1.2 percent.”

According to the ONS this is the 18th consecutive fall in UK unemployment, and the HIGHEST number in employment since records began in 1971.

Still loads to do, what a shame the UKIP 'piss up' in 2015, will spoil the party.

[claig]

"you were the one saying "there is so much wrong in this country"

There is, but it has nothing to do with UKIP as they aren't in power.

I think that Unite are right in their campaign Say No to Zero Hours Contracts

www.unitetheunion.org/campaigning/saynotozerohourscontracts/

[Isitmebut]

And the Conservatives were, when from 1997 our main EU morphing to superstate and UK financial, debt, economic, immigration, social, social services and housing problems got far worse – so too much UKIP ‘Westminster elite’, over the party/policy facts, for obvious reasons.

Re Zero Hours, I say the trade union preference of pay rates over job creation, which is no ‘what come first, the chicken or egg’ conundrum, is a bit extreme as apparently some people WANT them, it suits their industry/life/work-style .

In most of Europe, part of their hiring problem, is that it is tough to ever let go an employee, so companies have to wait until they see a cast iron country/industry recovery before hiring someone – so they can’t take the chance, potential workers don’t get a chance of ANY employment.

Clearly Europe vs Zero Hours are at different ends of the employment scale, so on balance, I’d suggest REFORMS of ZH contracts.

FYI when I looked at this subject a while ago, I found this in depth study which had the overview, conclusions and recommendations – but I have no idea if being looked at as I write.

"Number of Britons on 'zero hours' contracts hits record high"

"Record numbers of British workers are being employed on "zero hours" contracts which keep staff on standby and deny them regular hours, official figures disclose."
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/9968124/Number-of-Britons-on-zero-hours-contracts-hits-record-high.html

[claig]

"The number of workers in jobs without any guarantee of regular hours or pay nearly doubled during last year to reach 200,000, according to data from the Office for National Statistics.

The contracts – now used by almost a quarter of Britain's major employers - legally allow firms to employ staff, often in low paid jobs, without any guarantee of actual work, or income."

It's an absolute disgrace that everything the unions fought for for a century is being undermined and the so-called Labour Party of barrister, millionaires and PPEs allowed it to happen. Other European countries have laws to protect their workers and our business fat cats can get away with nearly anything as our rights are stripped from us.

"Sarah Veale, of the TUC, said: "It is a sign of desperation that people will take anything at the moment...we're not valuing people, we're just looking at them as industrial fodder"

Others have defended the contracts, claiming they are keeping people in work who would otherwise be unemployed.

They are used by the Co-op – which employs around a fifth of its funeral staff this way - the House of Lords, Boots, Bupa, Cineworld, Centerparcs, and the NHS."

[claig]

Why do you think the entire political class is viewed with quai-contempt by millions of people out there outside the Westminster bubble? It's because we all know these people are not on our side. And that explains why millions are sticking their fingers up and voting UKIP.

"Only 1% of Guardian readers support Ukip

Millar kicked off by suggesting that only 1% of Guardian readers identified themselves as Ukip supporters. “Since we have 100 seats here?” he asked looking around. “I’m the one!” bellowed one man at the back, to laughter. A lifelong Labour Party member until the Iraq war, the man said he would never become a member of Ukip, but the party was forging issues to the forefront. “Please don’t be complacent. You may be right, Ukip may never come into power; I hope it doesn’t, in many ways. But I see them as a protest vote.”

One elderly man took the microphone. “What is happening out there? Why do we not have a revolution, with all the poverty?” he said, his voice wavering. “We’re voting for a Tory austerity or a Labour austerity. We don’t do revolutions here; we vote Ukip.”

www.theguardian.com/membership/2014/nov/11/the-rise-of-ukip-what-we-learnt

[claig]

And this Daily Mail article about sandwiches is not a joke. Going to Hungary to find workers is not a joke. We are being systematically deindustrialised, our manufacturing is declining, our young people can't afford to buy homes in London and in many other places, our students are in debt up to their eyeballs, many people are paying extortionate rates of interest to payday loan companies, and zero hour contracts are becoming more prevalent.

Middle classes are being squeezed and we are told that millions more jobs will disappear in the future.

"The robots are coming: One in three UK jobs are at 'high risk' of being replaced by machines in the next 20 years
Lowest paid workers most at risk of being replaced
Clerical and support roles are endangered, as well as transportation jobs
Workers and employers must adapt now to the changing demands on the workforce, report warns"


www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2828370/The-robots-coming-One-three-UK-jobs-high-risk-replaced-machines-20-years.html

What sort of future is this? One of slavery where people will have to scrabble for a few hours work on zero hour contracts while city types rent out flats that cost thousands per week and our political class of PPEs and barristers do nothing about it?

[Isitmebut]

Oh god, more UKIP propaganda..... in or out of the "Westminster bubble", the problems of the country are the same, they are being fixed, and a UKIP set of policies lucky to see their first birthday, are clearly no answer to anything useful.

Re Zero Hours, similar to Mr Miliband at PMQT , I suspect that you prepared that last speech before you read my last post, including in depth analysis of the pro's and con's of a Zero Hour Contract that needs reform - I assume you have checked to see if the present government has any reforms on the agenda, as I have not (yet)?

Clearly you agree with the trade unions, that better NOT have those 1% of all UK jobs, rather than allow those happy with them (possibly above the minimum wage), to have them. Got it.

[claig]

'Clearly you agree with the trade unions, that better NOT have those 1% of all UK jobs, rather than allow those happy with them (possibly above the minimum wage), to have them. Got it.'

Absolutely, I agree with the trades unions, because I believe in what is best for the many and not the few. I want salaries and terms and conditions to rise so that the majority benefit, not to fall because some people are prepared to accept those conditions which then end up as the norm for everyone. Then employers will not have to go to Eastern Europe to recruit workers but will be able to find workers here.

[WetAugust]

more interested in the deepening democratic deficit in the European Parliament

Junckers has now said that MEPs can vote FOR a proposal or can ABSTAIN. They are not allowed to vote AGAINST. Those votes sill not be counted.

And we sacrificed British lives to bring democracy go Iraq, Afghanistan.......... and we put up with this crap.

No Dave, I will not "move on" as you would prefer I find.

This is a rotten government and Im glad that Wheeler has now lodged his High Court action against the EAW

[Isitmebut]

WetAugust … Re “more interested in the deepening democratic deficit in the European parliament”; based on the thread, I assumed that the 24 highly paid waste of space 24 UKIP MEP’s, can’t get the depth of sandwich choice they demand, to dip into their lunch time beers into.

So now the UKIP propaganda wants us to believe that Cameron is totally responsible for EU policy, Junckers and the other 27 members policy making and that he letting the war dead down.

Pathetic politicking, yet every time Cameron speaks up against the flow you’re on here saying he is totally useless as he is hissing against the wind – while those 24 UKIP MEP’s can change, what? How they change lunch time eatery with their £3,500 a month expenses paid into their account whether claimed or not?

And your/UKIP’s version of real democracy, is having Stuart Wheeler setting UKIP policies, hiring back bench Conservative MPs and trying to change UK laws the security services need e.g. the EAW, where terrorists are the target, not the abuse of power to stop a child get medical help in Europe, that can be stopped.

“Stuart Wheeler (born 30 January 1935) is a British businessman and politician. He made his fortune as the founder of the spread betting firm IG Index in 1974, but is best known for his political activism,[1] being formerly a major donor to the Conservative Party and, since 2011, treasurer of the United Kingdom Independence Party.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Wheeler

[Isitmebut]

Claig …. Again, nice ‘many not the few’ pro socialist/trade union little speech there as clearly the UKIP ‘policy of the month’, is to pretend an elite FTSE UKIP backer, an elite ex city UKIP leader, and a party that in 2010 clearly thought a 31p Flat Tax rate was ‘fair’ for the lower paid – is now the party of the working class. Hmmmm.

The ‘widgy making jobs are projected in early 2016, anything could happen by then, including a May 2015 Labour/UKIP coalition, killing business investment stone dead, including this factory that if all their costs of doing business rise, might as well OPEN in Hungary .