Remember the little girl who was snatched from her bath?

[edam]

The case has just gone to court.

sad story

TinsellyRhino - they don't spend all of their sentence in insolation. They are only removed to a segretation wing IF they are at danger or others are in danger because of their behaviour.

doesn't the mother now post here?

She did post at one time I think. No idea if still posting.

This local guy was let out without interview - the family of his latest victims aren't very happy

That said the probation service haven't come out of it very well either.

its a huigely risky business
who knwos what peopel will do
i like the idea that we are suupoosed to eb abel to tellt he future

I don't think anyone is expecting others to tell the future Cod but in the case locally, serving just over 3 years for a violent manslaughter is pretty crap don't you think? And then to commit a murder, sorry 4 murders in a place where the probation service says you shouldn't even be adds insult to injury.

The "no interview" bit isn't important IMO ad IME. It is the rest of the paper work, research and the final dossier that is the crucuial aspect of it. TBH the interview is more for letting the prisoners say why they think they should be given parole and can often help a prisoner's case for parole, rather than hinder it.

However, unfortunately the prison service do ahve tof ollow guidelines and if that prisoner had been found suitable for release from his previous sentence to such an extent to recommend parole, what more can the parole board and probabtion do? They have to follow the rules or they get solicitor's letters about equal rights, civil liberties, etc. It has to be done properly.

Sadly, this means that yes, errors may happen. I don't know this case, but there must have been very valid reasons for him being released at that time.

I don't think you need to be able to tell the future when you look at the past.....frequently repeats itself.
Oh and I know all the arguments of those wrongly convicted but the bath case guy should NEVER even be considered for parole in my view.

Of course Hula I accept that - but wonder whether with prisons being so full that they are under pressure to release earlier.

And part of this guy's probation order was that he wasn't to live in that particular town. But he was - at his mother's home I believe. What's the point of the licence if no-one is going to ensure that they stick to the terms?

I thought lifers always did appear in person before parole boards?

From 1 April 2004, due to budget constraints, prisoners are no longer interviewed by a Parole Board member automatically as part of the parole process. An interview will only take place in cases where the Board considers it necessary to seek additional information before reaching a final decision. If an interview is required it will take place 7 weeks before PED.

This is from the parole board website edam - I can't find a specific reference to whether lifers have to appear in person.

Oh, only I saw a documentary about the parole board recently and it said lifers have to appear. Maybe rules have changed since it was filmed. Prog. followed four prisoners through the whole process of applying for parole - IIRC three of them got parole and one got a move to an open prison (so parole next time he applies if he does OK in open). Looked like a very thorough process.

ditto edam

hiya all ,
sorry couldnt post on friday have been sooooooooo busy ..... although he was given a 10year minimum this by no means that he will be released.... this animal will never ever admit what he has done n that is gr8 news 4 us...as until he does that he will never be released from prison

Hi Shhh was thinking about you on friday, such positive things were said about your family, esp your dd, and how her testimony helped the whole case

I hope you have a lovely christmas xxx

I am glad you have some justice, although I guess nothing can really ever be another for what he did.

IME the process is pretty thorough. Same goes for determining cat D/open status as well.

License conditions are for probation to keep a check on. I don't know anything about outside probation.

SHhhh. Wishing you and your family the best for the future and hope you can move on with your lives.

Keep Posting.

thanks everyone..... its been a long journey and we feel much better now knowing that he cannot harm anyone else ... we r very concerned about forthcoming weeks..ie; xmas,the anniversary etc.. but i am sure my dd will be just fine....
u should see the amount of pressies she has already my bedroom is stacked lol
but its nothing more than she deserves...
we all underestimate our kids i cannot believe how incredibly strong she has been through all of this..... although she is struggling now that the cold nights r coming in.... thankyou all 4 your kind words it means a lot

Hope you have a wonderful Christmas.

Shh, so glad the verdict has given you some peace at some level. I hope you and your little girl have a fantastic Christmas.

im sure we will ..
my plan is 4 this 1 2 be the most memorable
havnt got tree etc up yet im a bit worried about putting it up .... dont want her 2 panic
but hope 2 put it up this week

SHhhhhh-I sincerely hope that you,your dd and the rest of you rfamily are able to have a wonderful Xmas this year and for many to come.None of us (except maybe a couple) can begin to undrestand the horror you have bee through.
Sorry,I can't help this but I hope the bastard hets his throat slit whilst inside.....or preferably worse.

i know it may mean very little, but I wanted to add my comments, especially to SHhhh. everyone i have spoken to about this, those who have and who haven't got children were absolutely shocked by what happened. I'm not one for big internetty gushings of empathy, when i cannot begin to imagine what your family has been through, but I would like you to know that you and your family are very much in my thoughts. hope you have a peaceful, beautiful family christmas and beyond.

sshhh- what happened? sorry if my question is upsetting or i am being thick. x
this is not your little dd is it?

or someone tell me...

Yes LOTP, it was SHhhhh's DD.