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Why don't all labour voters just vote Lib Dem next time??

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Beetroot · 21/09/2006 16:32

Think it might be a good idea...get rid of Tony and his cronies but not let the Torys in!

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yellowrose · 20/10/2006 15:19

What is a nanny state ? Is it one where the local authority sends someone round to burp your baby and change his nappies for you FOR FREE, if so I am all for it

In fact I would quite like Blair and Bush to clean my son's potty for me every day !

yellowrose · 20/10/2006 15:25

Blair has charisma ? No sorry, Al Pacino, Robert de Nero, Gene Hackman and Morgan Freeman have charisma.

Blair seems to have spent this entire career lying to the electorate and still continues to do it through that bloody awful grin of his, is that what he uses his so called charisma for, lying ?

Boowila · 20/10/2006 15:39

A nanny state is one where the government does your thinking for you. Like not allowing plugs in the bathroom because they think you are too stupid to avoid electricuting yourself when you carelessly drop a hairdryer into the bat or sink.

yellowrose · 20/10/2006 15:41

boowila - I am familiar with the nanny state concept, being an ex-marxist (I shaved my beard off years ago !) - was just trying to be funny and failed as usual

Boowila · 20/10/2006 15:44

whoosh
Right over my head....

yellowrose · 20/10/2006 15:44

boo - you would be surprised at the number of people killed worldwide because they don't know that you will kill yourself if you drop a plugged in electrical object into the bath !

Boowila · 20/10/2006 15:45

However, I'm all for your version of a nanny state (so long as there's no government meddling in who I can can't/hire)

yellowrose · 20/10/2006 15:45

I meant a bath filled with water, not an empty one !

yellowrose · 20/10/2006 15:47

boo - sure - I know what you mean !

In fact if my local authority offered to send one round to change my son's nappy for free, I would tell them to go away !

Boowila · 20/10/2006 16:16

Ah, these people were probably raised in nanny states -- and hence were never taught to think for themselves. I mean really, how dumb can you be? I miss my bathroom plug, damn it!

yellowrose · 20/10/2006 18:36

Boo - the problem is though that that millions who live in so-called democracies and enjoy a so-called democratic process in their elections, still do not have the ability to think, that is why it is so easy for politicians to lie and cheat, yet still manage to get elected. It is called dumbing down, it permeates our media (Big Brother ?) as well as our political process here in the UK. As for our foreign policy, where is it ?

What about the US, would you say the vast majority of the electorate there think before they vote ? I would be interested in your views on the US.

saggarmakersbottomknocker · 20/10/2006 18:57

No look get it right - it's a socket. A plug is what keeps your water from draining away

purplemonkeydishwasher · 20/10/2006 19:00

this is a great idea beetroot!
I'm actually considering campaigning for them I want labour out so bad!

Gem13 · 20/10/2006 19:06

We're in one of the few Lib Dem strongholds. There's no chance of Labour getting in here (the local Labour party got everyone to vote Lib Dem 2 elections ago and then they got chucked out by Labour HQ!). Since the Tory got booted out and the Lib Dem MP has done 'good work' I don't think they'll get in again.

plummymummy · 20/10/2006 22:01

Schoko I so agree with you. Uwila (or boo), yes I do have that perception of the US being a nanny state (even more so than ours). I could be totally wrong and I guess my opinion is influenced by the media, by vacations there and by people I know who live/have lived there. I accept this does not make it so, it's just an impression I have. I also would be interested in your thoughts on this.

plummymummy · 20/10/2006 22:03

Yellowrose - British humour is much drier

yellowrose · 20/10/2006 23:14

plummy - I used to go an American school (an international one in Europe not in the US) and I did notice that British and US humour are very different - we are such sarcastic so and so's compared to the Americans

The use of vocabulary is also rather humorous as it doesn't always translate well: I was 12 when I first started going to this American school and distinctly remember going bright red after the entire class including my English teacher burst into laughter when I asked the boy next to me whether I could borrow his "rubber" - I meant eraser of course but I realised later (after being told by a friend) that he had thought I was after a condom I was a very naive and nerdy 12 year old, didn't get much sex education at home so didn't really know what rubbers/condoms were nor what their slang names were !!

plummymummy · 20/10/2006 23:40

reminds me of when my bro had an American teacher (on exchange programme) they kept laughing when he said eraser (for rubber) and fanny (for bum) - as in sit on your fanny!!

plummymummy · 21/10/2006 00:12

Hmm, was thinking of asking what kind of porn he's into but see that he's taken now.

yellowrose · 21/10/2006 08:23

plummy- rubber and fanny - the butt of all sorts of school kid jokes

I can see I have managed to degenerate this thread to something I hate - "dumbing down" - oooppppsss

edam · 21/10/2006 08:33

And how is Gordon talking about his loss any different to David Cameron claiming that having a disabled child makes him a human being? And pretending it makes him care about the NHS. Funny, he refused to comment when the ambulance drivers who take his boy to a day centre were privatised.

And as for claiming we would have had a welfare state if the Tories had got in after the war, dream on! That's just rubbish. It was Labour policy, not the Tories. Left up to them we'd still have women living with prolapsed wombs because they couldn't afford the doctor - as used to happen pre-NHS. You only called the doctor if it was the man who was ill, because he was the breadwinner. Read the history books and talk to people who were around at the time.

Don't know who to effing vote for next time around, tbh, Tony is already privatising the NHS by stealth, Gordon's letting him (and is the one who insisted on part-privatising the tube and making sure all new hospitals are built under PFI, leaving us with massive bills for the next 30 years which will swallow up the NHS budget), the Lib Dems have some very right-wing policies and the Tories will privatise the NHS too and favour the rich, as they always do. A very senior person who has daily dealings with government and Tories over the NHS told me it's a choice between one party that will privatise the NHS and another that will do the same only faster.

Pruni · 21/10/2006 08:52

Message withdrawn

yellowrose · 21/10/2006 09:20

Yes a vote is of value and no one has suggested you shouldn't use it. It is HOW you use it that matters though.

Schokofruhstucksflockenhasseri · 21/10/2006 11:03

ahem. I did. Can you kindly tell me what difference it will make if you use your vote or not?
The british establishment has brought this meaningless exercise of casting a vote once every five years, while continuing to run the country in exactly the same way as always, to an art form. Do you really think Britain will be governed any differently whichever party gets in???

edam · 21/10/2006 11:14

Bloody hell Pruni I didn't know that.

Schoko, that's a counsel of despair. If you truly believe it, why not do something about it? Write to your MP, join a pressure group that represents something you care about, hassle your council. Nothing will change if we, the voters, just sit on our hands.

Do you really believe democracy is as bad as a dictatorship?