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Livingstone and Chavez -- this deal stinks.

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Uwila · 21/09/2006 09:09

Livingstone strike deal with Cavez

Is anyone else outraged by this? Livingstone is providing Chavez with London knowledge/expertise and in return he is getting cheap oil with which to fuel his buses. So, his costs are going down. Do you think he'll reduce the cost of a bus ticket? Or is he going to pocket the profit elsewhere in his budgets? My guess is the latter. I heard him on BBC London last night, nd he's done this "swap" because it's illegal to actually send Venezuala aid.

For those who don't know, Chavez is an evil dictator who is as corrupt as they come. This
is a sick PR move and Londoners should be well and truly ashamed of their Mayor.

Ken's Big Brother Deal With the Death Squad President

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ruty · 21/09/2006 09:28

read the article. Don't agree it stinks. But then you knew i was going to say that.

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Uwila · 21/09/2006 09:30

Ok... why not?

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Original poster
Uwila · 21/09/2006 09:30

Do you think Chavez is a nice man?

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ruty · 21/09/2006 09:44

haven't got time right now got to go out sorry!

Marina · 21/09/2006 10:02

Agree with Ruty. I don't see Chavez as evil, I thought he was democratically elected by the people of Venezuela. Who says it's against the law to send aid to Venezuela, by the way?

Pruni · 21/09/2006 10:05

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Marina · 21/09/2006 10:08

Really Pruni? You do surprise me.

Carmenere · 21/09/2006 10:10

I thought the Chavez was wildly popular with his people too?

kiskidee · 21/09/2006 10:10

go to www.counterpunch.org and search their site for articles on chavez. none of the right wing frothing at the mouth crap.

if chavez is going to undercut exxon, texaco, bp and shell then he can't all be a bad man. hey, half of the economies in the caribbean is still afloat because he sells oil at prefential prices to these small economies. better for them than owing their asses to the world bank. oops sorry, most of their asses are already owned by teh world bank.

kiskidee · 21/09/2006 10:11

preferential

FluffyCharlotteCorday · 21/09/2006 10:13

Oh LOL.

Uwila you've surpassed yourself.

Pruni · 21/09/2006 10:14

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ruty · 21/09/2006 10:14

really am going out now!

Marina · 21/09/2006 10:21

We have a regular US ranty spammer on a librarians' discussion board who sends us all similar foam-flecked rubbish about Cuba.

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Uwila · 21/09/2006 10:34

Let's see, he stole the oil industry. Everyone who worked in it (I'm talking about Venezuelans) went on strike. He fired them. What a nice guy.

Did you read the second link in my post, written by a Venezuelan?

Oh never mind, why do I post these things on this pinko site?

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kiskidee · 21/09/2006 10:51

Didn't good ole Ronnie Reagan (lets see: right wing nut and darling of oil companies) not fire all the air traffic controllers when they went on strike. seems to me like firing striking workers isn't just the domain of 'dictators' who don't dance an American jig.

Pruni · 21/09/2006 10:54

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ScummyMummy · 21/09/2006 11:19

Sounds like a good deal to me. Everyone's a winner, baby.

sorrell · 21/09/2006 11:23

So is Amnesty international a 'right wing frothing at the mouth' organisation now ?
fears for safety of human rights campaigners at the hands of Chavez

sorrell · 21/09/2006 11:24

steelworkers killed in protest. Hundreds detained

sorrell · 21/09/2006 11:33

He isn't the worst leader in South America by a long chalk, nor is Venezuela the worst country for human rights abuses, but there is a hell of lot of competition!

ginmummy · 21/09/2006 11:53

Marina - just read your first post - 'democratically elected by the people of Venezuela' - FFS!!

I'm sure if you had an electric cattle prod pointed at your genitals you'd put a cross next to whoever they told you to!

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Uwila · 21/09/2006 11:58

1- Since reagan didn't prompt that air traffic controller strike by stealing the airline industry, I don't see that the situation compares.

2- This thread is about Chavez (Venezuela) and Livingstone (London). Can we please not drag irrelevant US history into it. I mean for once can we not blame the US for EVERYTHING?

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MaryP0p1 · 21/09/2006 12:12

Why not everything is their fault

Blu · 21/09/2006 12:34

ginmummy - is there evidence that that is the case in the Venezuala? The current report in the washington Post talks about opinion polls carried out by an independent organisation (saying that public support for Chavez' gvt is weaker than it was but still majority) with no mention of corruption. The reposrts of the steel workers strikes and the Amnesty statement (which is quite guarded - talks about Chavez/ stance towards HR organisations, but doesn't condemn HR practices) are from 2004. Has venezuala cleaned up it's act with it's aspiration to join the U.N?

Genuine q's - I don't know enough about it....but would much prefer not to look at any q re Ken L via the pov of the Evening Standard!!