Muslims anger at Popes remarks

[speedymama]

Story here .

I wonder if a Fatwa will be taken out against the Pope who had the temerity to say something about Islam? His comments have been misconstrued and to be honest, I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

Both Christianity and Islam have a bloodthirsty history but I think that Muslims are becoming too hypersensitive towards their religion. Why is it that clerics like Abu Hanza can stand on the streets of London, spewing hateful rhetoric about the West but the minute anybody in the West says something about Islam, Muslims around the world get their headscarves and beards in a twist? Chill out for goodness sake. I don't recall the Muslim collective condenming the Iranian President when he called for Israel to be wiped of the planet. I'm certain that there are many Muslims who make disparaging remarks about Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, Sikhism etc. Religion is not just about words, it is about living up to what you preach and how you treat others. No wonder so many people in this country are turned off religion.

I personally agreed with everything the Pope said and interestingly, so did my male Muslim friend.

Kittywits has a point, he has said sorry for the offence and rather high handedly talked about being "misninterpreted".
This would be easier to beieve if he had let it be known what exactly he meant.
It is of course entirely reasonable to qutoe a bad person's statements if you are condemining him, yet there is a bit of a silence on this front.

As for the Moslem response, I have long thought that there are deep cover agents of Mossad whose job it is to discredit Islam by agents dressing up in silly clothes and doing shit like pretentidng to be angry over newspaper cartoons, mediocre books in a language they can't understand or most recently a "former" Nazi trying to diestract attention from their criminal acts.

Franky I rather thing the old pervert is quite chuffed that he's actually managed to get himself hated by the opposition.

A smart gang of Moslems would actually praise the pope.
Imagine Washinton's response to a world leader who was seen as a great man by fanatical Moslems...

did i ever tlell you i have a freind who KNOWS the Pope

thast odd isnt it

But would suicide bombers really do what they do if they believed there was no afterlife? and many christians still believe in a sort of Utopian afterlife.

fuzzy, well said.
mb, i would like to introduce you to my mom. she'd lov eyou . and would want to know why i wasnt more like you.

I think this, 'If you call me violent I'll blow your head off' routine is wearing a little thin, frankly.

Well I tell you what pisses me off. DS goes to a school where the main religion is Muslim (DS has no religion) and he then comes home to me telling me that beer is naughty and pork is poo poo food. Give me strength I just want a couple of glasses of wine or beer without my 6yr old passing judgement!!!

I should have said Islam shouldn't I?

dc, well said
drosophila, well, unfortunatley thats the case if your beliefs are not those of the majority of people around you.
hopefully he will continue to haave this attitude about beer when he is older, and wont go binge drinking with his mates?

Stitch, I kid you not, I just spent 10 mins hopping up and down like a mad woman, swearing like a woman possesed, because I had troden on a crystal in ds's room (don't ask )

Your mother would probably (quite rightly) have me committed!

nah, she'd just put it down to you being friends with me

Having a friend who knows the pope ?
Given his jobs have involved knowing quite a few people, I guess there's about 5,000 people who knew him well enough to (say) invite him out for a beer.

Being a sad old git, I reckon I have 500 people like that.
Say each of my friends is also a sad 500er.
That means the chances of me being two steps away are
5005005000/6 billion (people in the world).
So there's about a 20% chance that any one of us is in that position. (but I'm not).
Small world.

Cod moves in exalted company

isnt it odd?

oh dc you old kill joy

so does that mean there are six degrees of separation between me and Cod? OOHHHHH excitement!

Actualy if you have been confirmed, your bishop will have shaken hands with the queen, and she has shaken hands with the pope, so 'getting' to the Pope is easy.

Now, the Cod, is more of a challenge

So a fifth of the world knows someone who knows the pope?

Am waiting to be told I'm an arts grad and haven't understood the probability properly...

Wow, DominiConnor, are we talking a Jewish/Zionist conspiracy? Do tell us how you came to this fantastical conclusion....

Has anybody come across the Irshad's Manji' book "The Problem with Islam"? There was an article about her in the Times last year, here and she has been dubbed "Osama's worst nightmare". She is a Canadian writer, Muslim and gay. Hence she is viewed as a subversive influence by Muslim leaders. My kind of gal!

I do love her quote at the end of the article ".

She denounces terrorism and the response to terrorism, which is not sufficiently robust. It is no good, she argues, for respectable Muslims to say ?violence is not the Islamic ideal? if violence has become Islamic practice. And she attacks the proposed religious hatred laws, saying: ?Society needs people who offend, otherwise there will be no progress.?

Well, aelita, why do we keep seeing hordes of Moslems doing things whose only apparent purpose is to make them look like dangerously mad people ?
The antics are not just captured by TV, it's clear that many of them are staged for western cameras.
We see slogans written in English, just so we get the message.

I'm not a believer in Zionist conspiracies, but if (say) Michael Moore put out a film claiming that Bush and the CIA inserted agents provacateurs into Islamic groups, I think he'd be believed by many.

Of course I don't believe Mossad help promote Islamic riots as a sort of propaganda, but then again I don't 100% think it is false either.

It's like the Greenham Common women and CND. They were accused of being helped by the Soviet Union.
No one ever produced any evidence of this, but on the other hand...
Imagine your job as a lieutenant in the KGB was to undermine NATO. There certainly were such people, and if your boss said "so what are you doing to help these allies to our cause", wouldn't you feel it was your duty to find a way of helping them ?

I recall reading the (almost certainly apocryphal) tales of the long KGB agent whose job it was to forment a Communist Revolution in the USA.
Any of us who've worked in huge bureaucracies know how people get shunted into stupid dead end jobs, and the KGB is/was a huge outfit, with more staff than (say) British Airways.

In the version I read, this guy had a budget of 20,000 dollars with which to whip up revolution.
The KGB had quite hard line accounting policies and so he had to explain how he spent the money in some detail.
You can imagine the joy in his heart in this.

"It is no good, she argues, for respectable Muslims to say ?violence is not the Islamic ideal? if violence has become Islamic practice"

So what exactly are 'respectable Muslims' supposed to do. It is deeply insulting, and patronising to be told 'I am not doing enough', that my words are not enough when it's not me nor the majority of Muslims who are responsible for any crime committed. People like you speedymama will never consider it enough no matter what we do or say, I'm not apologising for the actions of a few, it wasn't me nor my friends or family who had anything to do with any bombings anywhere real or percieved.
Yet I am treated as a criminal..... and I'm told when protesting my innocence that it isn't enough......

Haven;t read all of this thread and I think what the Pope said was wrong - his advisors should be locked in some vault in the Vatican for at least 100 years!!

What has shocked me about it is the burning of efigies of the Pope by Muslims - pisses me off that they think it is fine to do this - the most disrespectful hate fill thing IMO to our religious leader when we can't even draw pictures of theirs.

What is the world coming too???

And if the Muslims think we are trying to impose our way of life on them well go live in a Muslim country because our way of life and theirs is simply not compatible when things like this happen. If we lived in Saudi we would have to live by their rules and lump it for gods sake.

Well now, there was me thinking that your having 'long thought that there are deep cover agents of Mossad etc etc' meant you actually had something concrete to back it up. Maybe you'd heard of someone who'd heard these so-called muslims at demos sneakily speaking Hebrew? Or maybe they'd been followed back to Golders Green at the London Danish cartoon demo? But in reality you've come to this conclusion without any actual evidence? Hey, they may be crafty, but they don't get past you, do they? For fuck's sake!

oh yeah DC, all those Greenham common lezzers abd CND weirdos were commies plotting the downfall of democracy...good grief.

I haven't read any of the thread.
But I agree with what you're saying Twinkie!