Muslims anger at Popes remarks

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Story here .

I wonder if a Fatwa will be taken out against the Pope who had the temerity to say something about Islam? His comments have been misconstrued and to be honest, I don't understand what all the fuss is about.

Both Christianity and Islam have a bloodthirsty history but I think that Muslims are becoming too hypersensitive towards their religion. Why is it that clerics like Abu Hanza can stand on the streets of London, spewing hateful rhetoric about the West but the minute anybody in the West says something about Islam, Muslims around the world get their headscarves and beards in a twist? Chill out for goodness sake. I don't recall the Muslim collective condenming the Iranian President when he called for Israel to be wiped of the planet. I'm certain that there are many Muslims who make disparaging remarks about Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, Sikhism etc. Religion is not just about words, it is about living up to what you preach and how you treat others. No wonder so many people in this country are turned off religion.

I personally agreed with everything the Pope said and interestingly, so did my male Muslim friend.

Exactly. I've pondered on this one....

How about the 10% of non-Muslim citizens in these 'predominantly Muslim Cities?'

Would they be exempt?

Freedom of speech is just that free - regardless of who it is or about and we all have to live with that. Now I don't have a lot of time for the pope or some of the beliefs/pratices that the catholic church stands for but as a religious leader its his job to discuss religion like a previous poster has already stated and I don't think his comments were in any way vicious or directed at Islam in a harmful way - they were just musings of a religious leader. Just as extrem islamic leaders have mused at how good it would be if all non moslem people were dead and the world was an islamic state. I feel constantly pissed off at the fact that it is only the extremist moslem leaders (and i do feel it is appropriate to differentiate) that are allowed to comment on life outside their own faith with no retribution. Didn't see me burning copies of the koran after any one of the islamic perpetrated terroist acts or recent years!!!

Exactly. Why is it OK for British Muslims to wander the streets declaring death on those who 'insult' Islam - but not OK for The Pope to quote a centuries-old piece of text?

See I'm watching this on the news now and do you know what it really pisses me off!!

it's not OK but what not talking rational thinkers here are we?

completely different mindset

'tolerance' isn't in the vocabulary

we're not - not 'what not

These are all rational thinkers they just think they are above everything non moslem. What about the normal moslem on the street demanding a personal apology from the pope - where the hell do these people get off?? Sorry I'm really angry now

I am ashamed of a government who made our police force stand around in Finsbury Park listening to Abu Hamza et al. glorifying those who commit murder in the 'name of God.' And inciting others to do the same.

rational folk don't go threatening to behead infidels and ranting and screaming in the street

(not in my book anyway!)

yes bubble carzy isn't it when a few mums on the web can be gagged at a stroke

carzy? crazy (haven't even had a drink!)

All madness I say!! I think the problem is that quite often by speaking out about any other religion sometimes sees you as being labelled racist or bigotted so everyone kind of lets it go on and fumes inwardly.

Can you imagine the reaction if we stood up in the middle of Tehran and condemned some part of Sharia law for it's unfairness - we wouldn't get out alive. Yes it makes my blood boil too.

Good point, JT.

I wonder if 'She-Who-Must-Not-Be-named' is working for them?

The BNP. Mad f**s IMO.

" Send 'home' any non-indigenous Brits"

Err....That accounts for most NHS staff, for a start, to be replaced by 'tea-break' and 'I know my rights' Brit workers.

BUT

Can you imagine how quick the police would swooped on and arrested BNP speakers in the same area as Abu Hamza?

See this is my point - bbc love doing swoops on the old bnp leaders to reveal their terrible racist behaviour and comments (which they are btw) but noone seems to rush to get the inside scoop on the underground extreme moslem movement in this country. Hmmm I wonder why that is....................could it be that the BBC are finding that they aren't above the religious/political attachements as we all think???

Ooooooo I do love a conspiracy!!!

PS I live down the road from where they have in the last few days found liquid explosives that were possibly to be used in the airplane bombings so forgive me for being a little sensitive on the subject!!!!

Sharia law is purely for muslims, it works on the principle that if you do something wrong you will be punished, either on earth or on judgement day, so it is better to be punished on earth where the punishments are less harsh as then you have been punished and will not be punished again.

Historically when shariah law was implemented Christians and other groups were dealt with seperately in their own courts by members of their own community.

I think that our society is frightened of offending 'cultural sensibilities.'

Victoria Climbie was beaten and starved by her 'carers.'

She was visited/seen, AFAIK, by several 'white/western officials' who put her injuries down to punishment 'in keeping with the norm' of her culture.

FGS. The child had been burned and beaten yet this was 'allowed as afro/carribean cultures' (Never worked that one out, TBH. That smacks of labelling Africans and Carribean families as simply 'black.') 'physically chastise their children.'

I see the same PC madness going on in allowing 'Muslims' to preach murder and violence. And, before anyone jumps on me, yes...I realise that 'Muslim/Islam is not a 'race.'

Hand-wringing PC liberals allow this kind of shit to go on in the name of 'inclusiveness.'

this is difficult, for sure.
I believe strongly in religious tolerance as a tenet of civilised society
but but BUT as far as I can see the principles of Sharia law are in so many ways wholly incompatible with human rights and indeed civilised modes of behaviour
which stretches tolerance so far that it snaps, frankly.
it is no answer to say - well it only applies to Muslims.
that doesn't move the discussion any further imo

Sharia law decreed recently that a married african woman be stoned to death for 'an affair' (she claimed that she was raped)

She was allowed to wait to be stoned to death until after she had finished breastfeeding her two year old daughter. Is this the 'pro-women/child' side of Sharia?

Nice...

I realise that this is an isolated and dramatic case, and I often hear that Sharia Law benefits women and children... But this case scares me...and the 'judges' always seem to be men....

I 'third' that. Remember the story about 'Adam' the african boy who'd had his limbs and head severed and his torso dumped in the river thames?? It was a mutti killing perpertrated by african witch doctors so they reckoned but couldn't do anything about it as the community closed up about it. I don't beleive it is ever acceptable to say that certain laws/traditions only apply to certain cultures so therefore the rest of us don't need to worry about it especially when it is being brought to our shores as it were.

My comments were in reply to:

bubble99 on Saturday, 16 September, 2006 11:01:21 PM
Exactly. I've pondered on this one....
How about the 10% of non-Muslim citizens in these 'predominantly Muslim Cities?'

I was trying to clarify the situation, but I am not saying that Sharia should be introduced in the UK.

Our country/culture often disgusts me.

Drunken 13 year olds.

'Mothers' throwing daily chips/crisps over the fences of schools that are trying to prolong the lives of their children by serving them (Shock! Horror!) Broccoli

Etc. (depressing) Etc....etc....

but

I would sooner have this 'society' than the one that we would have under Sharia...

Come on Bubble we all know how dangerous brocolli can be

Lethal, if over-cooked.