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Another Ed Miliband gaffe

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TerrierandJune96 · 21/07/2014 12:24

Unbelievable!
eveningharold.com/2014/07/21/another-gaffe-as-miliband-calls-for-russia-to-be-kicked-out-of-commonwealth-games/#more-200796

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Isitmebut · 25/07/2014 14:15

Rootypig …. Actually I thought that I picked on a few of your points, but clearly the main one for you was “diversity in education background at the top”, that I’m guessing is not applauding Osborne for turning the economy around, with I believe is a History related degree. Lol

Frankly in countries like America, running a highly complex economy and other issues of the 20th century, never mind the 20st century, they want the brightest of the bright running their country.

Whereas in the UK we seem to think that does not matter so much in those making important policies/laws on our behalf – but then again in the U.S. , they seem to understand that while capitalism has many faults, a vibrant economy is socially key to everything else and don’t label trying to balance the nations finances as class driven, knowing one day taxes go up for all to pay for deficits, lowering economic growth/prosperity for all.

We could get into this further, but having had a Labour government for 13-years with a more ‘diverse’ education, including Ministers that were an ex postman and ship steward that arguably no matter how nice they were, they were ‘punching above their intellectual weight’ – can we really say that those who purport to better understand/represent ‘the people’?

That despite inheriting a solid economy/finances, through the lack of home building, lack of work skills education, encouragement of immigration to fill in the skills gap, and encouraged a consumer credit/debt boom, THE PEOPLE WERE BETTER OFF under them socially, never mind economically, after the Great Recession?

In 2010 we needed brains/solutions to handle the government deficit/debt, yet re grow a Private Sector driven economy and help as many as they could through reduced taxes and incentives the low paid, unemployed 16-24 year olds, pensioners etc .

All I saw in the 2010 manifesto of those with a more diverse education, were plans hit struggling companies with higher costs, and raise taxes on the masses, to achieve economic growth. Taxing the rich sounds good, but how much did raising the 40% to 50% rate after 13-years, raise? I saw estimates after 1-year from plus a few £billion, to raising LESS taxes, a deficit bummer when promising to cut less.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8615297.stm

Floisme · 25/07/2014 14:22

OK fair enough, I am sorry if I upset you.

I would still like to ask you what the comment about challenging Ttosca - who I don't think has even been on this thread - was about?

Isitmebut · 25/07/2014 14:37

No worries.

Ttosca and I are similar in that we both have very strong political views, and while ttosca's intentions are nothing but good on social issues, the poster seems to suffer from ideological amnesia on many of the 'facts'.

I just wondered if you worried so much about ttosca's "self respect" for posting so many 'non facts, as you did my posts, with facts - and thought there was a need to intervene.

A 'throw away' comment during an exchange, that can be thrown away.

Floisme · 25/07/2014 14:41

OK fair point.

dawndonnaagain · 26/07/2014 11:09

Osborne gets it wrong, again

dawndonnaagain · 26/07/2014 13:42

as does IDS

Isitmebut · 28/07/2014 13:09

Dawndonnaagain ….. re your “Osbourne gets it wrong, again” link, which shows economic ignorance on a fairly grand scale, some of which was repeated by Mr Balls the other day when the GDP and IMF forecast came out. Btw is there any chance of you making your own points, rather than just attach a link of gloop?

Why did the UK recovery take so long?

Tell Mr 'PPE' Balls who said the same and compared the UK to the U.S. the following;

The size/depth of the GDP/Output fall, directly corresponds to the time it takes to recover and if memory serves Labour oversaw a 7.2% GDP FALL, the U.S. around 5.2% GDP fall. Furthermore, the U.S. who had NOT seen a massive unbalancing of their economy for the previous several years (where as mentioned in a previous post on here, a huge increase in government spending/debt on the Public Sector was being supported by the tax receipts of City speculation, excessive bank lending, that collapsed = huge budget deficit) Bush/Obama were both able to give massive direct tax cuts/help and other stimulus to citizens and business.

The UK had IT'S massive government spending splurge/stimulus prior to the financial/economic crash, when other countries were reducing debt, so we were basically out of stimulus ammo, other than keep the FAT government spending going.

_So Labour what did Labour do to rebalance and grow the UK economy in the 2-years after the recession;) they kept over spending on their fat Quango government, lowered for a year or so VAT and gave tax funded discounts to citizens on mainly foreign owned cars via ‘cash for old clunkers’, took away the 10p tax rate and hiked up National Insurance and Fuel Duty - which was ‘short term’, ineffectual and counterproductive to UK jobs - Osborne reversed them and put in serious measure to stimulate the Private Sector.

“Labour's planned National Insurance increase will cost jobs, Alistair Darling admits”

(2010) “Labour’s plans to increase national insurance next year will cost jobs, Alistair Darling has said.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/7539343/Labours-planned-National-Insurance-increase-will-cost-jobs-Alistair-Darling-admits.html
“In his evidence, Mr Darling defended his plans to increase national insurance, saying it was necessary to raise extra money to reduce Government borrowing, which will be £167 billion this year.”

Labour when unbalancing the economy, saw manufacturing fall from around 22% of our economy (roughly constant under the Conservatives from the early 1980’s to 1997) to 12% by 2010, LOSING 1 million manufacturing jobs in the 7-years to 2005, and two years before the crash and during a global boom, which is pretty incompetent by any government’s standards when money to help was blown on Quangos– and explains why, with all that Labour damage to industry, MANUFACTURING has been slow to recover in jobs/output, and via exports, help lower the UK’s trade balance.

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/million-factory-jobs-lost-under-labour-6150418.html

Finally re ‘worst recession and recovery for many decades’, the (now) UK Depression that started in 2008, is similar to the one near 100-years ago after the Wall Street crash in the late 1920’s, AS THEY BOTH FOLLOWED A FINANCIAL CRASH, which affects country finances and severely interferes with the banks and capital markets TRANSMISSION of money/capital for businesses to use to cover their CURRENT overheads, never mind invest/employ when their confidence returns.

If people (or politicians) who utter such economic ‘cods’ without reference to Labour’s economic damage, no doubt for political reasons, REALLY can’t see the interest rate difference between now and all recessions since the last financially led one – where instead of the usual governments/central banks forcing UP interest rate as a trigger to slow inflation and the recovery starts when rates lower, THIS TIME our Base Rate is at a 300-year low to try help trigger economic growth – then best they keep their gobs shut. IMO.

We have already shown that due to what economic, budget deficit and social mess Labour handed over, the National Debt figure will be higher under the Conservatives, but if I’ve missed anything else from your link, let me know and I’ll try and clear it up for you.

dawndonnaagain · 29/07/2014 11:33

I'm ever so sorry, isitme I looked up your previous posts. All of them are an attempt to make the Tories look good whilst people are becoming homeless and others are dying because of their policies. There is no defence for that, although I'm sure you will try, but you're on your own now, ignoring you is the only thing that will make you toddle off.
Goodbye.

SnowinBerlin · 29/07/2014 12:34

Isitme If Ed Miliband walked on water would you write a long article claiming it was because he couldn't swim? Grin

Isitmebut · 29/07/2014 13:47

dawnanddonnaagain ….. may I correct you on what I’m looking to do, as it is to help inform people of the truth e.g. why the National Debt is Labours, and unfortunately for some, the truth shows the complete economic and social pigs ear Labour handed over to the Coalition, and their policies to turn Labour’s ‘stuff’ around.

If as YOU say the truth makes the Conservatives look good, I can understand your concern. Lol

Maybe you can now understand the concern of those of us who know the truth, listen to Labour blame the coalition for their policies, and are scared shitless Labour with a £100 bil annual deficit, will screw up more than when they had ££trillions.

On your “homeless” comment, how do Labour supporters justify this, together with less social housing than when they came in when hundreds of £billions was spent on fat Quango government - rather than concentrate on Coalition emergency measures to try free up spare bedrooms ‘for the many’ in these Shelters statistics.

Shelter (2009); The housing crisis in numbers – and the need for spare bedrooms, never mind homes.
england.shelter.org.uk/campaigns/why_we_campaign/the_housing_crisis/what_is_the_housing_crisis.

• Over 1.7 million households (around 5 million individuals) are currently waiting for social housing
• 7.4 million homes in England fail to meet the Government's Decent Homes Standard
• 1.4 million children in England live in bad housing. [3]
• In 2008/09, 654,000 households in England were overcrowded. [4]
The number of new households is increasing faster than the number of house builds

P.S. I was going to answer your “IDS” link, which as far as I could see was taking a coalition political positive (the falling UK unemployment rate) and taking what they thought was a political negative (IDS welfare reforms) and for some reason tying them together and saying the IDS Coalition reforms have not reduced unemployment, but I shan’t now.

FYI I was going to argue the narrowing of reference to the truth was still wrong, especially if tied strung together with other ‘joined up policies that ENCOURAGED Private Sector growth/employment, made work pay better than welfare and substantially reducing immigration (especially NON EU citizens) – something policy ‘joined up’ the Ed’s are apparently yet to show. I loved the leftie statistics within showing early Labour administration figures and later ones, totally missing out the key record immigration figures/years. Priceless.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2708908/His-memoirs-serialised-Mail-convulsed-Westminster-Now-Gordon-Brown-s-spin-doctor-gives-withering-verdict-two-Eds-Paranoid-confused-policies-great-steaming-pile-fudge.html

Isitmebut · 29/07/2014 13:56

SnowinBerlin ... re your "If Ed Miliband walked on water would you write a long article claiming it was because he couldn't swim?"

An interesting question, obviously from 'a believer' that he can this time around, after his administration produced so many Brown policy 'floaters' last time around lol; I'd guess I would believe that it was an illusion, look for the smoke and mirrors - and the post election strings attached. lol

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