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Another Ed Miliband gaffe

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TerrierandJune96 · 21/07/2014 12:24

Unbelievable!
eveningharold.com/2014/07/21/another-gaffe-as-miliband-calls-for-russia-to-be-kicked-out-of-commonwealth-games/#more-200796

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dawndonnaagain · 22/07/2014 16:29

Oh good grief isit. I too shan't bother. I am not in any way whatsoever ignorant. You however...

dawndonnaagain · 22/07/2014 16:41

interesting

as is this

oh look, ONS figures

and some more

Tanith · 23/07/2014 07:39

You don't actually exist, do you Isitmebut?
You're really a computer program that generates bile, triggered by "Milliband" or "Labour" Grin

Isitmebut · 23/07/2014 15:57

Dawndonnaagain …. Re this first paragraph of yours and your subsequent posts you ‘weren’t going to bother’, and then did, posting a series of links;
“Oh dear. Same old, same old. Tory bankers fucked the economy dear. Unless of course you can explain to me how the little old Labour Party in charge of just this sceptred isle managed to screw the world economy. No, thought not.”

From your links, please correct me if I’m wrong, the first one is about bad Conservative spending, the second, third and forth, was stating the bleeding obvious, if Labour handed over in 2010 an economy in emergency and spending £157 billion more than we were earning, the UK debt will go up faster under the Conservatives – so clearly your problem is you do not understand what economy the Tories handed over in 1997, and that a lot of shit went on until handed back over in 2010.

Re the economy and resulting budget deficit of £157 billion;

Labour/Brown in 1997 promised to (and did) adopt the pre election Tory finances, which after a European recession in the early 1990’s, meant the UK budget would finally come out of a spending deficit and go into SURPLUS around 2000, WHICH IT DID. So Labour/Brown had the option to either start paying off the national debt a government will rack up during any recession, or go BACK into an over spending economy, which he did in spades when the global economy started booming, when economic theory states IS WHEN YOU NEED LEAST TO RUN A DEFICIT ECONOMY.

The problem was, although Labour/Brown’s SIGNIFICANT increase in government spending was MATCHED by growing tax receipts (and borrowing ££££10’s of billions each year) - much of the INCREASE in tax receipts were volatile and UNSUSTAINABLE - due to increased City/Investment Banking profits (estimated in 2007 to £100 bil a year direct & indirect), Housing Stamp Tax Brown increased from a Flat !% and was now bringing in £7-8 billion, plus all the GDP/tax growth from government and consumer spending/debt.

In other words, Labour built an economy on the tax receipts of speculation, record spending and record debt, which was to come unstuck on the FIRST MAJOR RECESSION, and did, but don’t take my word for it, read the link below.

www.economicshelp.org/blog/5509/economics/government-spending-under-labour/

“If the government had entered the credit crunch with a budget surplus and lower public sector debt, the government would have had much more room to pursue a real and sustained economic stimulus. However, because there was already a deficit, the recession caused a rise in the cyclical deficit. The deficit of 2009-10 of 11% of GDP was primarily due to the deterioration in public finances, only a small part of this deficit was due to expansionary fiscal policy (VAT cut)”

• “A great failure of spending decisions of the 2000s, was to allow budget deficits during rapid economic expansion. A budget deficit of 3% of GDP may have sounded relatively low. But, in hindsight, this exaggerated the underlying deficit because tax revenues were boosted by tax revenues which evaporated during the credit crunch.”

Labour therefore had built this huge spending/public sector economy, much of it an army of expensive Quangocrats and administrators that could no longer be supported by taxes, as from late 2007 on, we were to lose a record 7.2% of GDP/output and resulting private sector unemployment.

And Labour’s 2010 solution; no measures to help the Private Sector/employment (in fact they RAISED the tax N/I tax on jobs), but lets keep this Public Sector Quango and non job fest going, and HOPE something turns up – as the annual budget deficit and accumulating national debt went higher – HENCE the 2010 £157 bil passed over, from Labour’s ‘customizing’ of the 1997 economy they inherited.

So think of how much worse our situation would have been if carried on with 'the old' for years more under Labour - certainly without 1.8 million new private sector jobs that don't grow on Labour's 'money tree'.

Isitmebut · 23/07/2014 16:01

Next Conservative spending versus Labours.

As most people know, all governments of every country are guilty of bad decisions/spending, but lets get this into perspective, as most of Labour’s were of policy design, during the ‘good times’, rather than inheriting a basket case and ‘waste’ a £millions on needed reforms, than hundred of £billions due to incompetence i.e. two over sized and cost overrun aircraft carriers near Mr Brown’s constituency and an NHS I.T. system hardly fit for purpose, that cost what, 318 billion.

Do you remember ‘Prudent’ Brown telling us each year, ‘we only borrow to invest”, the problem is working out WHAT Labour were investing in. Nuclear reactors, social housing orTrident? Nope, none of those were built so’ you’d notice.

Well for those who thought the building of schools, hospitals and other projects were coming out of annual budgets, look what was being built by taxpayer debt,

“Tony Blair has defended the spread of private finance initiatives under Labour as seven NHS trusts face administration as they struggle to repay large debts from PFI deals.”

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9356942/Blair-defends-PFI-as-NHS-trusts-face-bankruptcy.html
“The schemes saw private firms building hospitals, leaving the NHS with an annual fee to pay over around 30 years.”

“The total value of the NHS buildings built by Labour under the scheme is £11.4bn. But the bill, which will also include fees for maintenance, cleaning and portering, will come to more than £70bn on current projections and will not be paid off until 2049.”

Some trusts are spending up to a fifth of their budget servicing the mortgages.

“Across the public sector, taxpayers are committed to paying £229bn for hospitals, schools, roads and other projects with a capital value of £56bn.”

Taxpayers paying £229 billion for assets with a value of £56 billion, over and up to 30-years, coming out of annual schools and education budgets when Labour was running a £157 billion deficit – yet people are trying to find a few tens of millions to ‘pin’ on the Conservatives and say they THEY will 'privatise' our services? Hmmmmmm.

Isitmebut · 23/07/2014 16:04

Next. it was the Tory banking scum’ that caused the FINANCIAL recession in the UK/world, that morphed into a UK/world ECONOMIC recession.

And let us remember, Brown in 1997 decided to form the FSA (see below) and take sole banking supervision away from the Bank of England – without a Tory bit of scum to blame.

“Gordon Brown: I made ‘big mistake’ on banks before financial crisis”
metro.co.uk/2011/04/11/gordon-brown-i-made-big-mistake-on-banks-before-financial-crisis-650630/

“Gordon Brown has admitted making a ‘big mistake’ in regulating Britain’s banks before the country was plunged into recession by the 2008 financial crisis, as current chancellor
George Osborne prepares to hand power back to the Bank of England.”

“Labour's lax regulation of the City contributed to RBS collapse – watchdog”
www.theguardian.com/business/2011/dec/12/labour-regulations-city-rbs-collapse
“FSA says Labour leadership had encouraged it to take a 'light touch' on banks and must take share of blame for financial crisis”

Truth is out there.

Isitmebut · 23/07/2014 16:12

Hi Tanith …. No I’m real, with a good memory, and someone who likes to post facts over fiction on a board that wants to enlighten/engage women in politics.

Whats better for women’s knowledge, a larger post (for insomniacs) full of facts ready to debate if I’m wrong, or 1,000 one liner posts of Labour propaganda, blaming the coalition for trying to fix their mess, as I’ve proved on this thread.

if we're going to be sold a puppy, rather it's the 4-legged type, eh.

rootypig · 23/07/2014 18:45

Whats better for women’s knowledge, a larger post (for insomniacs) full of facts ready to debate if I’m wrong, or 1,000 one liner posts of Labour propaganda, blaming the coalition for trying to fix their mess, as I’ve proved on this thread.

Neither Hmm

I like politics sort of, I have a degree in the bloody stuff, among other things, but your posts make me Confused and zzzzzzzzzzz zzz zzz zz z z z

Isitmebut · 24/07/2014 14:42

Rootypig ….. As you a self confessed political and economic intellectual, calling my effort on here “those of small child” and “economically illiterate” - and you start falling asleep when I’m quoting THE FACTS over Labour propaganda – based on other comments of yours, 'neo' whatever and lack of understanding of why the 1990's was about getting the nations finances under control after an earlier recession, I'm guessing it is now your ideology speaking.

Don’t worry about that, I see a lot of intellectual amnesia on here on Labour’s record over 13-years.

When you put as much effort into CHALLENGING my facts on this thread rather than giving it all the ‘I’m the bees pyjamas’ put downs/name calling, maybe we can have a useful debate.

With all your qualifications, you’ll wipe the floor with my facts, right?

P.S. Both Miliband and Balls have P.P.E.degrees; if you have similar and they can’t work out that ‘the people’s’ living standards fall after ANY recession, never mind the deepest recession in 80-years (possibly about to be re classed a Depression), I’m glad I just went to the University of Life and just kept both my eyes and mind open.

claig · 24/07/2014 14:58

'Both Miliband and Balls have P.P.E.degrees'

Now that explains everything. I thought they might, but I kind of hoped they wouldn't. We're stuffed.

nonmifairidere · 24/07/2014 15:11

I can't believe this thread, started over a completely false, spoof article, is still wibbling on. Isit because someone swallowed it hook, line and sinker, blinded by 'gaffe' and 'Milliband' in the same sentence, Isit? Isit that, despite admiting having been so easily and readily duped, this pp has to, once wound up like the Duracell bunny, just plough on and on? Isit that, really, Isit? Confused

PedlarsSpanner · 24/07/2014 15:18

Well the OP has a history consisting of solely linking to the EH, how bizarre Confused

PedlarsSpanner · 24/07/2014 15:19

Oh, got it!

The OP is employed by EH to drive traffic there and therefore is a Spammer. QED.

ArcheryAnnie · 24/07/2014 15:21

Eh, even if it were true, Ed hasn't tried to sell off the NHS to his mates, so he's still head and shoulders above the competition.

dawndonnaagain · 24/07/2014 15:25

Oh good grief.
Isit if you managed to a)string a literate sentence together b) debate rather than just process other people's propaganda and c) could actually comprehend what you are putting up I may have engaged with you, but really, if my students turned in this sort of stuff they'd be on the uni doorstep in seconds flat.
I have a brother who is a Tory, we discuss, we debate, we engage and do you know what; we still get on!

Isitmebut · 24/07/2014 16:14

dawndonnaagain ... nice speech, again with the insults; just tell me you know understand from this thick duffus that you NOW understand Brown helped caused the financial crash, why due to the extent of a bank debt it made our economic situation worse, that it had nothing to do the Tories - - and that after a General Election, the Budget Deficit/National Debt does NOT revert back to 'zero' - and we have got somewhere. lol

Isitmebut · 24/07/2014 16:20

ArcheryAnne ..... Ed was part of the 'dream team' that got so much wong over 13-years - look at those Private Finance Initiative figures to be paid over 30-years, especially for the NHS, there is hardly anything LEFT to privatise.

NHS Trusts are again in the news today, needing money due to expenses; no doubt also the Conservative's fault, nothing to do with what went on pre May 2010.

Isitmebut · 24/07/2014 16:23

P.S. How many did the last Energy Minister Miliband break the ground on when we were in dire need and facing cuts??

A clue, NONE.

He wanted the Private Sector to food the bill, at what expense to the taxpayer - Labour never learned their PFI lesson to the very end, have they now?

Floisme · 24/07/2014 18:08

OMG I wondered why this thread was still going. Isitmebut, it's over! Move on, please, for your own self respect if nothing else Grin

rootypig · 24/07/2014 19:39

Hey Isit, guess who else has a PPE degree? apart from me. Mister David Cameron. That's right!

Actually you're right, it is terrifying that there is so little diversity in educational background at the top, and having dragged my arse through a PPE degree myself, I'm happy to tell you it was a load of right wing shite.

Isitmebut · 25/07/2014 02:40

Rootypig ….Thank you, as after all the rude, condescending and god knows what else comments to me from the start, you and others have shown that either politicians P.P.E.s taught them DIFFERENT ways to run a sustainable economy - or we’ll have a long wait until one of the two ideologies passes over to the next administration, anything other than an economic and social basket case.

If economics are 'right wing shite', could you tell me the last Labour administration that handed over a sound economy with private sector employment higher than when they came in??????

(25/7/14) “UK has fastest-growing economy, International Monetary Fund says”

“The International Monetary Fund has upgraded its forecast for UK growth to 3.2 per cent this year and 2.7 per cent in 2015”
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10988849/UK-has-fastest-growing-economy-International-Monetary-Fund-says.html

“Britain's economy is growing faster than those of every other major developed country, the International Monetary Fund has disclosed”.

“In a vindication of George Osborne’s economic plan, the IMF upgraded its forecast for UK growth to 3.2 per cent this year and 2.7 per cent in 2015.”

Just think how much quieter PMQT’s would have been if Labour, with no plans in their 2010 manifesto other than to keep a fat, tax sapping, national debt increasing Quango State, hadn’t kept yelling across parliament to the Coalition for years they were wrong, and Labour’s ‘country model’ was the only was to sustainable ‘growf’. Lol

Still Mr Milliband & Balls now appear to understand housekeeping basics, never mind PPE economic lessons, that if due to overspending your outgoings are far more than your income, you can’t do a Mr Micawber, and after years of net negative economic growth, still hope that ‘something will turn up’ to pay the bills.

Floisme …. It’s ‘still going’ as I’m answering other posters, as per Rootypig’s last post, if other posters don’t want to read a thread, they don’t have to, but it adds some balance to many one sided debates. Btw when did your self importance last tell ttosca not to post? Don’t bother answering.

Floisme · 25/07/2014 08:03

I will answer, Isitmebut because that was a rather aggressive comment and I would quite like to know what you are talking about. If you think I have been offensive to you, then I will apologise but what has Tosca - or any previous posts - got to do with this?

rootypig · 25/07/2014 10:21

Isit you have utterly missed my point Grin

dawndonnaagain · 25/07/2014 10:27
Isitmebut · 25/07/2014 14:11

Floisme …. Now we could go back and forth and play who was aggressive/meant what, isitmebut putting a smiling face on this comment, or any similar insulting text, means diddly to those receiving it? Personally I’d never criticise the quality of others input, especially when answering other posters, but hey that’s me as I’d rather trade facts over insults.
“OMG I wondered why this thread was still going. Isitmebut, it's over! Move on, please, for your own self respect if nothing else”

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