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Please tell me this headline is wrong.. (Exit poll news from Italy)

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 25/05/2014 21:07

Le Pen is first? my Italian is crap.

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hench · 26/05/2014 15:39

Badkitten, thanks for those calculations, I've just got back. I do find it quite fascinating. Originally I was just trying to see how close it had been - ie: if I'd changed my vote, might it have made a difference? It's just not at all obvious unless it's a first past the post ballot. It is interesting though how much difference the different systems make.

Isitmebut · 26/05/2014 15:49

France’s Front Nationale did so well mainly DUE to the dire economic situation under the Hollande government_ -and as it is unlikely that France’s high tax/low growth/near 11% unemployment will turn around sufficiently come the next general election – there will now be huge political risk associated with France until that election, and almost certainly after.

“How Francois Hollande changed but Ed Miliband stayed the same.”
www.trendingcentral.com/francois-hollande-changed-ed-miliband-stayed/

“Back in the summer of 2012, Ed Miliband was exalting his new hero across the channel, French president François Hollande. The Labour leader could not have been more generous in his praise for his opposite number in the French Socialist Party:”

Miliband quote: “What President Hollande is seeking to do in France and what he is seeking to do in leading the debate in Europe is find that different way forward. We are in agreement in seeking that new way that needs to be found and I think can be found.”

As the UK will either have a Cameron or Miliband led administration after our next General Election, unfortunately (for the British electorate seemingly oblivious to that fact) it will come a few years too early to see the economic/social damage a continual rise of France’s Front National will have from a much higher base - as Le Pen polled just under 18% in the 1st round of the French Presidential Vote in 2012.

France is now screwed for the medium term; votes for Ukip in 2015, unlike 2010 which ‘just’ caused a Conservative ‘largest party’, will ensue that Labour is at least ‘the largest party’ and due to the demise of the Lib Dems, be no doubt heading up an unworkable coalition, possibly or 3 or 4 (v.small) political parties.*
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100270514/it-wont-take-much-for-ukip-to-destroy-the-tories-at-the-2015-general-election/

Political party's like Ukip and the Front National for several decades have grown through periods of economic hardship or general unrest - and as some conditions of EU membership and a Great Recession caused both - we can at least be thankful for our improving economic situation and hopefully the prospects of EU reforms before an EU referendum.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/05/2014 17:26

Produce and Prosper a ukip policy paper on jobs, enterprise and the economy/

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 26/05/2014 18:05

Good work Kitten. Smile

UKIP are trying to distance themselves from the 2010 manifesto and it's harder to find evidence of their lunacy.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/05/2014 18:17

I can't find their welfare policy anywhere at all. It must be out there somewhere! It's called 'Welfare to Workfare'.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/05/2014 18:24

But if you didnt see it on another thread keeping the lights on is their energy policy where they have fab quotes such as "Higher CO2 levels increase agricultural crop yields and “green” the planet"

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 26/05/2014 18:26

Can't find welfare policy either and that really was a piece of work. You also can no longer view the video of Farage launching the manifesto at a party, no longer available.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/05/2014 18:40

I think I'm going to give up for the day on it. I've tried viewing that video too. Nice piece of revisionist history going on there.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/05/2014 21:12

I've got it!!!

I don't know if this will work, I managed to use a specialised web archive service to find a cache but I'm not sure if its only on my pc or if its a live link:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130319043127/www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPwelfare.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">From Welfare to Workfare UKIPs recently deleted welfare policy.

Please let me know if it doesnt work and I can tell you how to find it.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 27/05/2014 10:34

You little star! Grin

They can distance themselves from these documents all they like but it represents how they truly feel as a party.

Isitmebut · 27/05/2014 13:37

Ukip have said they'll launch many of their key policies in September, in Doncaster, at their annual Party Jolly.

Quite how they reach out to blue, red, yellow, green and while (BNP) party voters at the same time, beats the hell out of me, but if they want ANY 2015 political credibility, they have to produce a serious document.

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