Call for fertility ban for obese or too thin

[Joolstoo]

On the NHS -
But if you smoke or are gay you're safe

discuss

is it discriminatory or sensible?

No I luckily didn't need it. After numerous ovarian cysts my ovaries stopped producing eggs and so the clomid helped thank god but yes I believe that if It had not worked i should have been able to have Ivf on the Nhs the same as someone who was a stone heavier!

I don't think ant personal comments are being made here. SP was saying that it is a relatively easy problem to fix and that is so. There is an unfortunate minority for whom it is difficult but most people can put on and take off weight if they need to.

mmmm I'd quite like a face lift. I feel that I'm not pretty enough and thus this affects my self esteem. should the nhs pay for that as well?

I just feel having a child is different to wanting a new pair of tits for example

I am not a pyschologist but I imagine your desperate maternal desire to have children and not being able to, is an absolutely devastating life changing thing

and how much does a therapist cost?

I am not saying everyone should be given everything but I am saying that if I had a BMI of 18 and the cut off is 19 and I tried for years to put on weight, it should not mean I could not be offered Ivf.

Don't want to be flipant, but a right to a face lift could count as part of your human rights. everything seems to these days.

why. some people genuinely hate the way they look, some people have low self esteem because of their appearance, and that is surely as much a psychological condition as the inability to have a child.

I'm sort of agreeing with CD's post about infertility not really being an illness per se. OTH if other bits of your anatomy don't work the NHS would treat you to put them right.

You'd sort of think that if someone is desperate for children and is very overweight they would work hard at losing it to give themselves a better chance of conceiving.

Aren't operations sometimes withheld because of weight issues though, I mean it can be dangerous to anaesthetise and overweight person - would we call that discriminatory?

they don't come cheap feo - about £45/65 per hour dependent on where you live and the kind of therapy

The argument is too simplistic. The effect of infertility is more than just not having a child. And yes, in the past, people didn't have access to the treatments we have now. But that doesn't mean they just merrily got on with their lives. Someone in my family was deeply and profoundly affected by her infertility. And to know now that there IS a treatment, but not to be able to afford it....

And taxpayers pay through the nose for other peoples right to have children all the time. One funded cycle per couple is a drop in the ocean.

what about thin people? what about magnolia who is naturally very slim?

low self esteem is not caused by being ugly though - lots of ugly people have good self esteem.

however not having a child is caused by infertility.

I'm with you on this one wannabe

You really do sound flippant kittywits.

a bmi of less than 19 is more than being naturally slim though. it is very thin

Becky what about those people whose lives are deeply affected by their looks?

I dont really know what it would be

I know that i have a bmi of 25/26 and thats about it

yes sp but in some instances infertility is caused by obecity/being under weight. Being under weight could be caused by an eating disorder such as anorexia for instance, and anorexia is often as much to do with self esteem/self worth as someone hating the way their face looks for instance, obviously it's more complicated than that, but it's just as much a psychological condition as if I say, hated being flat chested for instance and felt unable to go out as a result.

can anyone do my bmi for us please

people whose lives are genuinely deeply affected by their looks (eg people ehose faces have been disfigured) do get plastic surgery on the nhs though. I also think you are being flippant.

I'm saying that you have to draw the line somewhere. We have been discussing someone's right to treatment. Where do you draw the line? Who should stand in judgment over this?

Nope not at all SP. My bmi 6 months ago before I got pg with #5 was 19-20 and believe me I am no longer very thin. I am slim yes but not skinny to the extreme, very healthy and if I have had all tests (which I did) to rule out any medical conditon to casue me to not put on tons of weight when I eat anything and everything then why would that mean I would be denied nhs treatment?
Very different if I was starving myself to death but in fact I am the opposite!

Many people curently get cosmetic surgery on the NHS. I don't have a problem with it.

underweight can be natural
due to bowel conditions and thyroid comlications
not just anorexia or eating disorders though