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Oscar Pistorius trial part 2

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JillJ72 · 09/04/2014 21:36

To continue from previous thread

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AnyaKnowIt · 11/04/2014 11:50

Oh my I really do feel for reevas mother

Pennies · 11/04/2014 11:50

I wonder if any young people watching this are inspired by Nel to enter into the legal arena. I hope so. He is a master. Makes any TV legal drama look like a kids playground argument.

StackALee · 11/04/2014 11:52

'I wish she had let me know she was there'

oh dear, I think he's sounding very much like he is lying about something.

StackALee · 11/04/2014 11:54

very very clear isn't he that no woman was screaming.

he's messed up now.

this is terrible.

he can say 'i cannot know if someone was screaming because my ears were ringing'

he's very stupid if he can't follow this. He was clearly being asked about the screaming after the shot, NOT the other screaming. yet he was very very clearly wanting to make the point that 'it wasn't a woman's scram'.

seriously good work from the prosecution.

Redcoats · 11/04/2014 11:56

The more he talks the less I believe him, tbh.

AnyaKnowIt · 11/04/2014 11:57

Does anyone know if op can change his not guilty plea under SA law?

JodieGarberJacob · 11/04/2014 12:00

I got confused there as well. Nel said 'someone heard a shout' and I think OP thought he was referring to earlier not after the first shot. He's tying him in knots, no wonder he can't think straight! I do think he knew it was Reeva in there but whether he meant to kill her or just frighten her I don't know.

AnyaKnowIt · 11/04/2014 12:01

Why adjournment til Monday?

LouiseBrooks · 11/04/2014 12:02

Why are they adjourning until Monday Don't they work Friday afternoons in South Africa?

AnyaKnowIt · 11/04/2014 12:03

Yes this is usually lunch

member · 11/04/2014 12:03

Quite often finish early on a Friday in UK too

StackALee · 11/04/2014 12:04

"I think OP thought he was referring to earlier not after the first shot"

But he very clearly said he was talking about the possibility that reeva screamed after the first shot, I can't see how OP would then jump to thinking he meant earlier in the evening. the lawyer clearly, very clearly, had moved to speaking about the shooting. He even asked something like 'did Reva scream after the first shot'

how can OP get that wrong?

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JillJ72 · 11/04/2014 12:07

^^ not hearing straight, getting muddled as Nel muddles?

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HowAboutNo · 11/04/2014 12:07

Oh god I just don't know. Glad I'm not the judge.

AnyaKnowIt · 11/04/2014 12:07

Lawyer on sky news seems to think that nel wanted to finish early to leave op on edge over the weekend.

LouiseBrooks · 11/04/2014 12:10

I think OP thought he was referring to earlier not after the first shot"

I didn't think OP was talking about earlier in the evening. I'm confused. It's like I'm listening to something different to you. Nel is tying all of us in knots and we're not even there.

SirChenjin · 11/04/2014 12:14

I thought he was going to confess at the point where Nel asked if he heard Reeva scream - OP went quiet for the longest time, the camera cut to the Judge who seemed to be a bit taken aback that there was such a long pause.

Agree that stopping proceedings at this point is designed to keep OP in a state of confusion and on edge.

AmIthatSpringy · 11/04/2014 12:14

Not unexpected to leave OP with the weekend, without being able to consult with legal team

For what it's worth I am swinging again and I actually believed him today.

Gerrie Nel is the best there is as it is all about picking at holes and words etc.

Maybe roux will pick some bits up in the re-examination

Whats this about the Steenkamps and his apology today. Does anyone have a link please

AnyaKnowIt · 11/04/2014 12:16

'Agree that stopping proceedings at this point is designed to keep OP in a state of confusion and on edge.''

Yep, op is not allowed to speak to anyone about the case either.

OneStepCloser · 11/04/2014 12:25

The Steenkamps told Nel this morning that OP had asked to meet them in private to speak to them, to apologies but that they had declined, it needed to be put in record.

I thought Nel was quite clear about the screaming, for me OPs statements didnt make sense this morning, he seemed very controlled going into the bathroom, but then let out a stream of uncontrolled shots into the door.

Its very difficult because OP says that Reeva kept quiet because she had done that in a previous situation, can that be proved? I think that would be very significant.

eddiemairswife · 11/04/2014 12:29

Was Reeva sleeping on the balcony side of the bed? If so, that would explain why he asked her to bring the fans in.

GoshAnneGorilla · 11/04/2014 12:30

I felt that Nel had possibly reached a dead end with that line of questioning.

Everyone hearing OP's would think that OP's behaviour was neither logical or sensible, but that doesn't mean it couldn't possibly be true.

So Nel can be as Nelentless as he wants saying "That's illogical, it didn't happen", but if O.P insists it did, what then?

That there were no screams, or he couldn't hear a scream over the shots, or that he was shooting so quickly he wasn't listening for screams - all could be possible.

Yes, Nel can do his best to tie O.P up in knots with repetition and confusingly worded questions, but that would confuse and trip anyone up, regardless of the truth or not of their story.

I do not envy the judge's role at all.

OP's family were seen talking to the defence team, are there any restrictions on what they can discuss?

AmIthatSpringy · 11/04/2014 12:31

Thank you onestep that's interesting and I'm glad it was acknowledged. Smile

AngelaDaviesHair · 11/04/2014 12:45

The object of the cross-examination is not always to browbeat OP until he changes his story though. Realistically, that rarely happens.

Nel has to put his case, so OP gets his chance to answer. The rest is about pushing and probing to the point where he has got all he's going to get, has shown up OP as being inconsistent/unconvincing if poss, but either way, given the judge and the assessors enough to take a view on that part of the case.

I suppose it is all cumulative. There's no one thing that will win or lose the case, it's about the aggregation of all these points and do they amount to a convincing narrative or not.

I do think conviction on the gun charges is likely. I guess they have been denied because OP is so very desperate to avoid jail rather than because there is a plausible defence.

Nerf · 11/04/2014 12:55

Is the prosecution saying he deliberately killed Reeva after a fight, and the defence that he thought there was an intruder?
I'm kind of thinking maybe they had a fight and he fired at the door to blow the lock so she couldn't hide from the argument. So didn't intend to kill her.