Missing Malaysian Airlines MH-370 - Thread 6

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Yes, interesting data. I think it could be that the brave pilot tried to steer the plane into an uninhabited area to avoid a 9/11 scenario once the plane had been hijacked, and it could be that he deliberately set co ordinates that would fool a hijacker. Odd that no one texted or called relatives on a mobile phone.

Are they sure they are now looking in the correct place? It just seems strange to have recalculated everything to change the position of the search. I can't imagine what the relatives are going through and three weeks on I wonder whether they will ever find any wreckage

Has anyone linked to this from Jeff Wise?

Apologies if someone already has. It lays it out in simple terms (with a little bit of conjecture at the end).

Has anyone linked to this from Jeff Wise?

Apologies if someone already has. It lays it out in simple terms (with a little bit of conjecture at the end).

". Odd that no one texted or called relatives on a mobile phone."

No phone signals at altitude or over the sea.

Really interesting comments on that blog, Lou.

Very interesting thank you Lou.

The ITV news today wasn't nice to watch. The comments that the 'whole of the Indian Ocean' was to be searched (with smirk on face) were horrid. It is now obvious that countries are taking advantage of this situation to discover the radar and military capabilities of nations in the region and to lay claim to previously ignored waters and that no one really gives a toss about the lives lost except the poor relatives and those who can make money out of it.
The plane wasnt always at high altitude and/or over sea it doesn't make sense that not one passenger appears to have texted or phoned a relative after take off even if to say hello we are in the air on the way home.

The black box locator isnt even on a ship in the area so it does seem as though the US knows full well where this airplane went and doesn't think it is the Indian Ocean.

"The plane wasnt always at high altitude and/or over sea it doesn't make sense that not one passenger appears to have texted or phoned a relative after take off even if to say hello we are in the air on the way home."

Err, you aren't allowed to make calls on your mobiles from a plane! Plus it's only the ascent part where you'd be in range anyway - at cruising altitude of 30,000 ft + there's no signal.

The black box locator has been shipped/flown to the search area and I think starts working tomorrow?

"An Australian vessel carrying a US device known as a "towed pinger locator" is due to join the search in the coming days.

The device is designed to detect any ultrasonic signals - "pings" - from flight recorders and can operate up to a depth of about 6,000m.

But the search area is huge - covering some 319,000 sq km (123,000 sq miles) - and time is running short. The flight recorders' batteries are expected to run out in about a week's time."

good graphics here

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/03/17/world/asia/search-for-flight-370.html?_r=0#conditions

In an emergency you'd use the mobile- theres stuff in the papers about the plane changing altitude and also flying low to avoid radar -what about all the flight attendants? During 9/11 some of the passengers used their mobiles and the 4th plane therefore was diverted. We need to know. What if I'm ever on a hijacked plane. I need to have a back up plan to know what to do for the best.

No, no, mobiles don't work out at sea or at high altitude. I don't imagine there are many cellphone masts along the Malaysian & Indonesian coastlines, tbh, it's mostly jungles & mountains - and if the plane flew low to avoid radar, it would have avoided any mobile signals as well!

There aren't any cellphone masts in the middle of the Indian Ocean. The passengers making calls on 9/11 were flying low over New York. New York has lots of cellphone cover.

... some long-haul planes now provide mobile data connection for a hefty price. The price is hefty because the signal has to be relayed thousands of miles via the plane's radio system, bouncing off satellites & being routed by ground stations to get to a cellphone service.

Actually this incident has shown what an enormous number of people think you can get mobile phone cover anywhere. (This is weird, considering how often you lose signal in good old built-up Britain.) There must be a lot of satcomms companies working out how they can capitalise on the phenomenon ... !

"theres stuff in the papers about the plane changing altitude and also flying low to avoid radar "

That's not confirmed at all - and if the southern route assumption is correct, the plane was rarely near radar and so would not have needed to do this. Air resistance is higher at lower altitude so the plane couldn't have flown for long at this level if it did so at all, or it wouldn't have flown for long enough to receive the last ping.

It is not a known fact until Inmarsat shares the hard data. Until then it is an assertion by a shadowy defence contractor with a possible commercial bonanza in play.

this is someone elses comment but it expresses my opinion more succinctly than I could.

Why are we so invested in Inmarsats' holy grail analysis anyway ?

What's in it for Inmarsat, Cranfield University and the UK AAIB to falsify data or analysis meaning the plane is less likely to be found? Where's the commercial bonanza there?

As I stated previously, that kind of opinion is offensive to those who worked their socks off to analyse data that was never meant to be used in this way. Might the analysis be wrong? Possibly, but it's been checked by the joint task force in this endeavour (you know, the ones who are sending their planes and boats to a dangerous bit of ocean and would like to know if they are risking those lives on the best information available). To suggest it's wrong is one thing. To suggest it's being manipulated for some badly defined commercial benefit is quite another.

Oh god after 6 threads and thousands of posts I can't believe people are still labouring under the illusion that mobiles work somewhere as remote as over the Indian Ocean. Mine doesn't work in the next village and the mast is probably only a couple of minutes away.

I don't think there is any smirking going on either plenty of despair and god knows where we start expressions though understandably.

Inmarsat is a 30 year old business traded on the London Stock Exchange, just like Glaxo, British Airways etc. It's not "shadowy"

Here's their annual report, if you are interested:

www.inmarsat.com/about-us/investor-relations/

And according to the New Scientist, it was also reviewed by others:

" But to calculate that path it needed a methodology not used in aircraft tracking before, one that had to be peer reviewed for accuracy by a so-far unnamed rival satellite company, as well as by Boeing."

Logging off now.

www.inmarsatgov.com/

It's not as if they are impartial