Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 - Thread 5

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The Malaysian govt are in a real mess now. OTOH I agree with whoever said that the Aussies have come out of it looking ok, despite cynicism about Abbott being keen to deflect attention from himself and his govt at the moment.

as I said before, most likely no-one wants to cause hysteria by implying that a pilot can just take an aeroplane at will and do whatever they like with it.

Well, this didn't cause mass hysteria did it, wanna: Co-pilot hijacked plane with 202 aboard last month.

As for the alleged distress call, does no-one find it odd that this has only been reported by the Chinese who have the most victims on board?

Not at all. Who do you think should have reported it: a country that had no passengers on board? As the leak was said to come from Beijing's US embassy, it seems reasonable to me that embassy workers would be anxious to keep the Chinese informed of developments. And possible that the embassy workers' bosses would have wanted them to keep it secret.

no-one has said what exactly it is they think the world’s governments are covering up

There have been a few guesses. They can only be guesses, because none of us have direct access to things the world's governments cover up, surprising as that may seem!

But, yes, I do think something's being covered up, for the fairly obvious reason that numerous pieces of evidence from various sources, which pointed in one direction, have been dismissed in favour of one piece of evidence from one single source, which had to be teased out using hitherto untried methods.

But view that as logical, if you will. I don't.

Search is off for today. Storm's hit. And I'm going back to sleep, I hope

HMAS Success has had to move out of the immediate area of where debris was sighted until weather abates. High winds, rain & low cloud deemed too risky & search called off for today.

In Beijing, relatives of those on board are heading for the Malaysian Embassy by bus, armed with placards it's being reported.

Australia says co-ordination of search of Indian Ocean to revert back to Malaysia under terms of California Convention.

Telegraph reporting that "well placed" sources close to investigation believe pilot suicide most likely.

And like Garlic , I'm going to try & go back to sleep.

I for one am bowing out of the discussion (not that I was a huge part of it to begin with!) because now that it's been confirmed officially that those on board have perished, I feel wrong picking apart what's happened to them.

1. We'll probably never know.

2.The anguished cries of the grieving mother hit me hard and I want to respect their grief.

1. It's their story now. How the families deal with the tragedy or their quest for truth is totally up to them now.

In my opinion, of course! It's been a roller-coaster of questions and speculation and knowledge but I felt better taking part when there felt like there could be, however wild, a small chance of survival.

which is presumably why they've relished showing the grieving families in recent days.

the family won't get answers on their own - and if as everyone bows out they'll be left to just suck up knowing they don't have the truth.

the early facts seem to me to tell a clear story of - plane goes awol, airline calls military, military picks it up on radar showing it's gone off course then obfuscation.

at the point where the plane didn't send reports and no contact could be made of course they contacted the military and that is in fitting with the military tracking it to the point shown. then we're meant to believe they did nothing? they didn't track it, send up jets, do anything? and they left all planes in the air and didn't call a security alert or anything if they didn't know what had happened?

it's ridiculous.

"t the point where the plane didn't send reports and no contact could be made of course they contacted the military and that is in fitting with the military tracking it to the point shown. "

Where did this info come from, please? I didn't think the airline had contacted the military until after the plane had reached the end of its flight time. Hence the original search in the Malacca Straits.

incidentally the military radar had it's 'last' contact with the plane at 1.34hrs into the flight 200miles nw of penang.

then what? why would that be there last contact?

just look at the time line of events doctrine.

and frankly 'as if' you'd not report it.

that timeline tells a very clear story and one that is far more logical as to what you'd do with an awol plane - re: early in flight communications lost, another plane is contacted to make contact and can't effectively, military starts tracking it and has 'last' contact with it on radar just under an hour after it went out of contact.

I can't help feeling sceptical.. they announce it as definitely come down in the Indian ocean yesterday without actual physical proof.

The bad weather, which they knew was coming last week, has stopped the search completely today.

I imagine by the time they can resume looking all possible proof will have been scattered or sunk by the cyclone...

I just don't believe any of it.

diesel that was my exact thinking when I heard search called off due to storms.

m.smh.com.au/world/mh370--timeline-to-tragedy-20140325-hvmle.html

Nothing in this timetable, for example, about the military radar being monitored live, don't know which one you are looking at.

"I can't help feeling sceptical.. they announce it as definitely come down in the Indian ocean yesterday without actual physical proof. "

The only reason we know about subatomic particles is painstaking data analysis of trajectories. Are they also not proven?

Its all very suss I agree x

There are three ways that scientists have proved that sub-atomic particles exist. They are direct observation, indirect observation or inferred presence and predictions from theory or conjecture

Snatch In relation to this story we are missing the direct observation bit, just lots of inferred presence, theory and conjecture

I don't know that I'd notice if a plane was changing direction or altitude - would it be really obvious (like, feeling like it was going to land) ? IME planes seem to go up and down and left and right during flight and unless you know the flight path you wouldn't know what is normal and what isn't.

It depends if the reported varying altitude changes are true. I've read about up to 40,000ft/45,000ft and as low as 5,000ft, with 12,000, 20,000, etc in between. Those sort of differentials would certainly be felt by the passengers.

Yeah I read right at the start of all this that the plane turned around then climbed to a ridiculous height and then decended again and carried on flying x

But would you as a passenger realise it was unusual? I don't know that I would. I just tend to trust that I have no idea how planes work so the pilot must know what they're doing.

Then again I suppose experienced flyers would realise it wasn't normal and if one person starts panicking then everyone will :(

Also, the cabin crew would definitely know something was amiss. The initial hard turn towards the west, with, or without the altitude changes, would have been noticed by them. The plane should have been flying in a straight line.

I tend to take notice of everything when I'm flying. If the satcom went off ( I'm thinking of the seat back map showing position) I would start wondering what was wrong. I'm a bit if a panicker.

True the cabin crew would definitely notice.

Your planes sound swish! I've never seen a map in the back of a seat before.

Mr McLoughlin (Senior VP of Inmarstat) must be rubbing his hands at the rocketing share prices of the company

Wow, what a cynical comment. Would you rather he had kept the technology to himself?