Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370... Thread 4

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I suppose the only thing that gives me some comfort in the conspiracy thing is that China and the US are not friends, and will be looking out to see if it was coming from high level. I am sure China would be better equipped to spot a US conspiracy than we are...and vice versa.

The thought of 'cyber' hijacking is terrifying :(

the question i keep wondering about is whose interest would it have been to drag this out and for it to have been deliberately confusing and long winded?

obvious thoughts are:

• intelligence gathering on the areas satellite,radar, etc coverage
• creating fear for political and/or commercial reasons (selling more security, selling new technology, justifying further international military presence in the area, creating mistrust of certain nations etc)
• diversion from other political events (crimea etc)

just gathering thoughts here. it just seems to have been such a bodge and so many red herrings that it is at least worth considering that that has been deliberate whether through a planned act start to finish or an opportunistic act after the plane went missing.

i actually have a plastic bag on my head currently whilst coconut oil sinks into my hair - i'm guessing not the same as tinfoil so clearly my thoughts are not secure. you have been warned

sorry more tin hattery but do we REALLY believe china and america are not friends? sure not at the political level or whatever but do you not think at the very top level of economics or politics maybe there is a cooperative relationship if shared interests come into play?

There are no ships there when I click on your link catsmama!

I think deep down they are very much NOT friends. Sure they have to get on sometimes...but I can't see them even co-operating against terrorism unless it became a rival force.

I was ironing when I heard the news that debris from something had been found and my first thought was this thread and all you posters. I hope that doesn't make me a rubber necker/gossip enjoyer .

I was very at the newsreader asking the brother of a lady on board "what outcome are you hoping for?"

Just a small thing that has been niggling me for a couple of days.

There was (unconfirmed) talk of a distress call being picked up on the night and around the time the plane went missing. I think on a radio frequency, but the posts on PPrune have been removed, they did include the details though.

What was said was "cabin collapse". What does that mean? Depressurisation?

Personally I think (as you can see just from confusion about when pictures are taken, let alone the mistakes in timing regarding when the transponder was turned off etc.), Malaysia has been a bit inept - hence the delays and red herrings. I think it happened in the wrong country. From what I know, there is still a huge amount of nepotism, people getting top jobs because of who they know, not their expertise. Some dodginess such as the loads Malaysia Airlines has carried in the past which could cause some further lack of transparency.

I think it got going way too long after the plane went missing, again just clumsiness and lack of expertise. And the logistics of the huge search area made it worse. Maybe I am just not in a tin foil mood today!

I just watched that interview on BBC24, FabBakerGirl. I found it uncomfortable (and heartbreaking) to watch. Of course he wants the outcome to be that she is alive and the newsreader asking what message her brother had for her was horrible.

Will they release whether its the plane or not as soon as they know?

firstchoice good questions. No idea! Perhaps they were exploiting a window specific to this particular type of aircraft? Perhaps they were seeing whether a commercial airline pilot and passengers would be able to stop them? I have no idea and I don't even like to think about it much deeper.

Merry that's true. It's like the moon landings. About the only people who never openly doubted them were the Russians, which should tell us something.

I'm not sure about the stopping, dropping off and refuelling business. The plane has apparently been found right at the very end of the southern arc, meaning that's as far as it could conceivably get in 7 hours from its last known location. I don't know. Do you mean that the 7 hours was basd entirely on the pings with no thought as to the fuel? My head is starting to spina bit, but if it was landed and refuelled the pings and the fuel wouldn't add up, would they?

I mean, someone must know how much fuel it had and would have thought 'ok, this weight of plane, this much fuel = 7 hours flight time, max = this maximum circumference of possible crash sites. For example. So the 7 pings would tally. But if they stopped, unloaded, and took off again, they could calculate the amount of fuel, but they'd surely be pinged one time too many for the original max time/distance that the investigators would allow.

Unless the additional distance possible by the removal of the cargo would equal out the time taken to land, unload and take off again.

Argh. Brainache.

I really hope they have found something significant now.

I still wonder what it was the Maldives islanders did see though (assuming they are not just making stuff up, of course - but it seems more than one person saw it). It still seems strange to me.
I used to live on the approach to a big airport, the planes would go over at about 3,500 feet, and land about 5 mins later, if that. Yes, they were big and loud, but not that big or that loud. From the description, whatever was flying over the Maldives sounds like it was flying considerably lower than that.

Has anybody just seen the BBC news interview with a relative whose sister was onboard the flight? Captain somebody from India I think? I didn't catch it from the start but the man is convinced that the debris is sea trash & that his sister is alive somewhere

So, the Ozzie bloke who announced the satellite imagery/search etc said that satellites with higher resolution had been redirected to image the area. I wonder when that was done? I know they had to have experts analyse the initial images taken on Sunday, but given that there were shipping changes of direction on Monday, I wonder if those satellites have been in position before this morning's poor visibility?

Ah, just seen that others saw the BBC interview

Downton - googling found it on reedit:
www.reddit.com/r/worldnews
On phone so not good at typing sorry. Bit does sound a bit odd.
If this debris turns out not to be the plane where was it at the time of the distress call?

www.reddit.com/r/worldnews trying again?

Or just google cabin collapse distress call

i suppose another possibility is that it was intended to be a terrorist attack with dodgy something in the cargo for maximum impact upon beijing or elsewhere AND cyberhacking/diversion by 'a' nations security services. so that rather than shooting it out of the sky they turned it around and flew it out over the ocean thereby not having to take responsibility for killing civilians or showing the public their hand.

god - sorry. just thinking through all the possibilities if it is found there.

the cyber hacking could be the counter terrorist move rather than the terrorists move iyswim.

Christ

This is really disturbing

Actually, I think probably the worst thing that could happen over the next couple of days is for these sighted "pieces of debris" to now be unfindable. With cloud & rain limiting visibility and the possibility that whatever it was could have sunk by now, it would be awful if nothing is even found.

To rule it out as something else is not great, to confirm it is part of the plane is also very sad. But to never know would be worse surely?

I had to faff to see that boat....

go to live maps...zoom into Perth area...map with have green boxes on....if you look at the sea now then nothing shows, so

click on one of the green maps which will show the boats in that area and then shuffle until you get to the French southern Antarctic Islands

I don't know if it is just busy or what, but I really have not seen an unknown vessel label before.

I don't know whether it was a deliberate bodge or just... Malaysia Truly Asia

oh god I am now going to spend hours looking at ships the detail is amazing. thanks catsmama. not.

That was it JKSLtd I knew it came from somewhere beginning with U.

So, that has never been mentioned in any official report as far as I can see, so it was maybe rubbish. But interesting the claims were made on the 8th March. It was removed from a number of sites within minutes of being posted.

Ooh, just seen from Reuters that a Norwegian ship is now on the scene.

I have faith in the Scandis.