Missing MH370 thread cont...

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Ok thanks, I was mixing those up.

thanks goldie. would a shoe bomb be able to cut through the fuselage?

"Honey, you would have to put on oxygen cylinders "

There are portable Oxygen cylinders in the medical kits. But the whole thing isn't very likely.

"would a shoe bomb be able to cut through the fuselage?"

Yes.

Any sort of bomb could cut through the fuselage. But the hole may not be that big. The movies grossly overexaggerate what happens ina decompression I'm afraid!

Goldie please could you answer a couple of questions for me when you have a minute? Or anyone else that knows.

Re pilot suicide- would exhausting the fuel supply mean that the plane was more likely to sink intact if it was put down in the ocean? Could that explain the flying around for hours? (Family wouldn't receive life insurance money if it was proved to be pilot suicide hence hiding tracks and ditching in deepest part of ocean). I don't think that this is the most likely theory though.

Re transponders- is it possible that another transponder was taken aboard, and could this be set up with details of a different flight? Could the plane be 'cloaked' by pretending to be a legitimate flight thus not raising concerns for ATC in other countries as it flew through them? Possibly a bit far fetched.

I actually think that the plane's location is known, but is being witheld for some reason. I just hope for some resolution soon- the families are on a rollercoaster of despair and hope, it must be torturous for them.

If you are suicidal you don't care about train drivers, people scraping you off the ground etc

A suicidal pilot may feel he is not a murderer but is saving his passengers from the world he believes is a horrible place.

Personally, my gut feeling is that it isn't suicide.

am not really sure that a suicidal pilot who is sufficiently disturbed to have plans to kill himself, plane and all, is going to be hugely bothered by passengers along for the ride.

One minute I am sure they KNOW where the plane is and are negotiating, and the next that its at the bottom of the sea.

What sort of "sensitive information" could they be withholding? That they have admitted to this suggests to me that there is something more than "flew on for a while and then ditched" going on here.

"Re pilot suicide- would exhausting the fuel supply mean that the plane was more likely to sink intact if it was put down in the ocean? Could that explain the flying around for hours?"

Not really sure what you mean? Do you mean 'is a plane that's out of fuel more likely to sink?' No, is the answer to that question but I'm not sure if that is you're question?

"Re transponders- is it possible that another transponder was taken aboard, and could this be set up with details of a different flight"

It's theoretically possible but the chances are very, very remote. The transponders are complicated bits of avionics kit that require very specialist knowledge to modify to change the identity of an aeroplane. It could be done if you had somebody in the maintenance part of Malaysian Airlines willing to help. i think it's very unlikely unless it's a 'terror cell' that's been in the airline for a long time.

"Could the plane be 'cloaked' by pretending to be a legitimate flight thus not raising concerns for ATC in other countries as it flew through them? Possibly a bit far fetched."

If you'd managed to get a specialist t change the transponders then it's theoretically possible but very unlikely. It's not that farfetched if you're a well organised group with help on the ground and in the air but I still think it's a very remote possibility.

am not really sure that a suicidal pilot who is sufficiently disturbed to have plans to kill himself, plane and all, is going to be hugely bothered by passengers along for the ride.

One minute I am sure they KNOW where the plane is and are negotiating, and the next that its at the bottom of the sea.

oooh I have no idea why that posted twice! :o

maybe MFI are onto me ;)

I know it's MI5 btw.

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"There are portable Oxygen cylinders in the medical kits. But the whole thing isn't very likely."

Yy I agree.

So the latest thinking is that its on the ground somewhere?

thanks for the info.

i'm not saying any of this is likely just obsessively working out what is possible in each suggested scenario itms.

For those who love a conspiracy theory, what if while the worlds eyes were so focused on this missing plane it allows an organisation or group (potentially those behind the missing plane) to get away with another crime. It's scary to think that the worlds satellites/ surveillance may be so focused on this missing plane that they/ we have taken our eyes off another 'ball'
Just a thought

I'm starting to think that we aren't going to find out what happened (at least not in the short term). Since no wreckage has been found so far, I can only assume the plane came down somewhere very remote. I imagine eventually someone will stumble upon the wreckage, but this May not be for several years. If the plane flew along the northern arc is it possible that it crashed into a mountain?

Goldie - what are the chances that the plane flew through Myanmar airspace, over Tibet and into Xinjiang, and landed safely in either Xinjiang or Kyrgyzstan?

Am just wondering whether a hostage negotiation situation is possible and the Chinese government is keeping it quiet.

if you want a real conspiracy i'd go with america did this and landed it on their own airbase (forgotten the name) and is building up to justifying yet more presence in this area of the world and yet more invasive and draconian laws.

The plane can still send a signal even if it is on the ground somewhere. From the latest press conference. So maybe it is landed intact.....I'm intrigued by the whole thing, someone with pilot training flew it, maybe the crew themselves, but what if there was a passenger or someone in the jump seat who was a pilot? Might explain the erratic flying up and down for a while if they forced into the cockpit?

oubliette - it'll probably be one of those instances where sometime in our 60's some document will be leaked and we'll find out the true story when all involved are dead or long since out of power. we'll be the old gimmers who say ooh i remember that and i said at the time it was x...

out of interest what major political/economical/legislative events are going on around the world currently that this could theoretically provide a distraction from?

Thanks Goldie- I probably wasn't being very clear! What I was wondering was whether an empty (of fuel) plane is more likely to be able to do a controlled landing on the sea without breaking up (like the one that landed on the Hudson) and if landed relatively intact could it just sink without much trace or would it just float? I thought a plane with a full load of fuel would be smashed up on impact as it's heavier. I may be displaying much ignorance here!

I'm not convinced by the Southern route atm though.

Afaik there was a Malaysian Airways (?) or another airline engineer bod on the flight which is what made me think about transponders. Has anyone else heard that? Can't remember where I read it now.

More questions than answers!

w"hat are the chances that the plane flew through Myanmar airspace, over Tibet and into Xinjiang, and landed safely in either Xinjiang or Kyrgyzstan? "

I don't know the area well enough to say, sorry.

If it meant crossing Chinese airspace I'd be surprised they didn't see it on military radar. It might have exposed a big hole in their defences if it did!!!

That's what I was thinking honeybadger!

Thanks Goldie - the key question seems to be the Chinese radar coverage over Tibet and Xinjiang. I'd be surprised if they didn't have those regions totally covered, given all the unrest and tensions, but ... this is looking like the only plausible option other than a crash into the southern ocean somewhere ...