Missing Malaysia Air plane

[KenAdams]

It's so sad. They still haven't found anything, but thinks it's crashed into the sea.

For anyone that hasn't heard

Sorry. x posts,

I don't feel remotely twitchy about this but I am sorry for those who do, perhaps living closer to where it happened.

I didn't mean to sound insensitive. It's just there are some very active imaginations on this thread and it was making me a bit .

Sorry. x posts,

I don't feel remotely twitchy about this but I am sorry for those who do, perhaps living closer to where it happened.

I didn't mean to sound insensitive. It's just there are some very active imaginations on this thread and it was making me a bit

I have no idea how twitchy you are

I think it's just natural for people to try and find an answer, especially with something that seems so odd. When planes have disappeared before, they have been found a lot quicker than this. I admit that I am finding it all very odd. I do find it very strange that it appears to have gone off the radar as it were at the point of crossover between the two airspaces. It may just be an unhappy coincidence that has a logical explanation but it has made me wonder...

Sky news saying the us think they know where the plane is.

Sea bed listening equipment will have heard the ping of the black box or indeed the crash of the plane hitting the sea bed.

The US is sending ships but the devices they lay on the sea bed to listen for submarines is how they would know. I would not be surprised if the UK submarine force hasn't been involved as well.

Its the toing and froing of information that is fuelling the rumours.

Things are being said, they sound official, and then they are retracted or disproved hours after.

Sightings on the malaysian coast, sightings on the vietnam coast, sightings from an oil rig. Radar from the military first confirmed the plane turned back, then no one could be sure it actually was the plane.

A huge plane disappeared 5 days ago and the only information we have is the same information we had 5 days ago.

If it came down in the last known location, when it was between airspaces, there would be something belonging to it there.

If it didn't come down there, then where did it go? Why did the radar stop working but it didn't go down? Why have no other countries picked in up in their airspace.

If it wasn't so bizarre people wouldn't be twitchy. Planes crash, its horrible when it happens, but it does happen. What isn't usual is for no one to know where the plane crashed or even if it crashed.

Why did the radar stop working but it didn't go down? Why have no other countries picked in up in their airspace.

This I find intriguing. If it didn't go down/explode, why did the communications stop? If it did fly over the Indian Ocean or another area, why did no other country pick it up? (I have no idea who owns what airspace, mind).

Just to say that even a bomb exploding on board doesn't mean there is nothing to find or that the pieces are all that small. Look at the Lockerbie bombing. Large parts of the plane were still intact when it hit the ground and debris was scattered over a large area. It is more likely that if the plane hit water, it was intact and all trace went down with the plane.

But why would it have been near the Indian ocean? Isn't that in the opposite direction to where it was travelling?

I miss Goldie

"Why aren't the USA helping out with satellite images by now ?"

They are, and have been from pretty much the outset.

"Things are being said, they sound official, and then they are retracted or disproved hours after. "

Information from the investigation itself is consistent. And sometimes debunks what is emerging from commentators outside the investigation.

Information from the investigation itself is consistent.

Only because there isn't very much of it. But yes, the main rumours and false evidence is a result of the media jumping on every little comment.

Yes, the media does not seem to be able to wait. And comments are being over-analysed to a ridiculous extent.

It is highly unusual that a plane vanishes like this. But no amount of picking at the on-the-record statements, or focussing on those made by people (no matter how expert) who are not part of the investigation isn't going to add clarity or bring a quicker outcome.

Its possible for the radar to stop working on a plane. I was on a plane heading to the USA many years ago and the pilot came over the tannoy to tell us the radar wasn't working and we were landing the plane on the Canadian border to get it fixed. It then had to divert somewhere else for an electrical fault. It was not a good flight.

Is there another forum anywhere with people more knowledgeable discussing it? Like lots of Goldies? It would be interesting to see what was said.

Im puzzled about the whole thing. It makes me really sad.

Where is Goldie?

PPrune, long long thread, very technical.

"If the plan had landed in the sea the authorities would already know because of Seismic equipment, it can throw up a record of the tiniest earth tremor - and 200+ tonnes of aircraft hitting land or water at 500, 600, or 800kmh must have produced a measurable shock wave (if it has crashed)"

If you go back to about page 9 I did make some comments on that - it depends how it crashed.

"It's not like you can easily hide a 777 either. Anyone know what the minimum runway requirement is?"

I think about 6,000ft based on back of envelope numbers

PPrune has a really good summary of whtat is really known:

a. disappeared from civilian secondary radar right at the handover to Ho Chi Minh ACC;
b. has not been found in any condition around this last known position;
c. has not been observed in any form doing anything unusual in this position;
d. did not report anything unusual happening to it or on board of it;
e. may have been traced by primary radar on a westerly track from the last known position;
f. but has not been found anywhere along this track;
g. and judging from its endurance and the lack of remains found, may have flown for hours, thereby leaving an insanely large area to search for it;
h. and might have done so at a FL normally not used for civilian aircraft (FL295).

and she's back!

"there had been a hijacking there would have been phone calls. Unless it was hijacked at a high enough altitude for phones not to work "

It was cruising at 35,000feet. Even if over land, you can't get a mobile signal much above 25,000 feet. This aircraft was well over water. There's no cellphone coverage that far out.

So it couldnt have landed in the Sea Goldie? (sorry being very dim here) Then something made it change course?

"But why no distress call?"

No way to know but it's perfectly possible; bomb, explosive decompression, missile up the tailpipe, hijackers turned all the transponders off. There are lots of explanations.

"The Aussie guy saw something on fire "

That's been disproved - the oil company has never heard of him.

Goldie! !

I thought the Kiwi guy had been discounted? I remember seeing an article saying the oil rig company denied employing anyone by that name.

Thanks Goldie.

"If it did fly over the Indian Ocean "

There's no radar coverage over oceans at all.

"I miss Goldie"
aww shucks!

"Where is Goldie?"
I was at work - I can't post from there! Also, not content with 1 drama, I just had another.

I have Groupies!