Missing Malaysia Air plane

[KenAdams]

It's so sad. They still haven't found anything, but thinks it's crashed into the sea.

For anyone that hasn't heard

You can't actually see where you're searching in Tomnod though so how can you match it up with the Chinese pictures?

But, tomnod will know, Ken.

Just surprised they're not onto it... or perhaps they are.

Viva - I too am pretty sure those pictures have been released in a very unofficial way and in a resolution that is vague enough to hide to what extent the Chinese satellite capability (and perhaps submarine listening technology) has advanced.

Why on earth are planes not flying low over that site now? Those pictures were taken 9th of March!

TBH it looks quite cloud-like to me.

And you might reasonably expect there to be an associated debris field, which doesn't appear to be the case.

Question about Tomod. I attempted to look earlier but I couldn't zoom out to get my bearing s and it was just vast sea. which yes, is the search area but it would have helped if I could zoom out a bit etc. I was using chrome. Any ideas?

I find this totally bizarre how this can happen and so so sad id love to be able to help.

I tagged the objects as other. Cant see the pics of what the Chinese found to compare...link anyone?

Seems each person has different map as I got my friend to look 6 squares over 16 down but was completely different map number.

I wanted to find it. I wanted some kind of closure for theffamilies of the passengers. As the other options make my blood run cold.

Jjuice here are the Chinese pictures

Then there is now this www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html to add to the confusion.

Caitlyn, a guy I work with has been adamant from the beginning that the plane was taken and is being kept somewhere to be used at a later date.

Do the theorists of "landed safely elsewhere" have any suggestions for location of a place big/flat enough to get such a large plane down, which also has no local population to notice anything?

The report about the cracks warning seems more likely to be relevant.

Auntie, the plane had 7.5 hours of fuel and once the electronics were disabled so that it could not be tracked it could have gone in any direction.

Whilst it is feasible that it did land safely somewhere, I am not convinced. I think a crash occurred, but as I mentioned before my colleague is convinced otherwise!

Operations are now covering some 27,000 square nautical miles (92,000 sq km).

Vietnam's air traffic management earlier said it had received an email from a New Zealander working in one of the oil rigs off Vung Tau.

"He said he spotted a burning [object] at that location, some 300 km (200 miles) southeast of Vung Tau," deputy general director Doan Huu Gia said.

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www.news.com.au/world/oil-rig-worker-says-he-saw-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-burst-into-flames/story-fndir2ev-1226853302184

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I think Mike McKay may have witnessed the crash.

Operations are now covering some 27,000 square nautical miles (92,000 sq km).

Vietnam's air traffic management earlier said it had received an email from a New Zealander working in one of the oil rigs off Vung Tau.

"He said he spotted a burning [object] at that location, some 300 km (200 miles) southeast of Vung Tau," deputy general director Doan Huu Gia said.

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www.news.com.au/world/oil-rig-worker-says-he-saw-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-burst-into-flames/story-fndir2ev-1226853302184

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I think Mike McKay may have witnessed the crash.

who is Mike McKay?

Yes, I'd heard various estimates of how long flying time it could have. I would still like to now where those who theorise about a 'safe landing' think it could have occurred. Not so much the landing itself not being spotted, but where there would be terrain suitable to land withiut damage so it could later take off again for the future plan, and either an absent or a compliant local population yet enough infrastructure (at least water) to hold 239 people against their will, and maintain/fuel the plane.

"The Guardian gives 777 dimensions, Santana, the found objects aren't too big at all.

But surely it can't have broken up into such big pieces? The MNer who knew what she was talking about upthread mentioned confetti."

That was on the assumption that it was a bomb going off at high altitude. If it drifted down intact for some unknown reason it could be in fairly big bits, especially if it belly-flopped down. AF447 had some quite big sections intact when the pilots had lost control of it. The whole of the fin was intact, for example.

" They also reckon tha China satellites are capable of better images and that China will have better pictures.....but again don't want everyone else to know how good their sattelites are."

That's certainly true. But I do wonder why China sat on the images for so long - since Saturday, apparently.

According to RR data the plane was possibly flying for hours after last communication

www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-plane-may-have-flown-for-hours-after-dropping-off-radar-20140313-hvibj.html

if it has been commandeered to be used at a later date, it must've been planned meticulously, like most acts of terrorism are. The terrorists would've known exactly where they intended to fly the plane too. The only discrepancy is the 250 passengers, who are also witnesses. I can't imagine what would happen with the passengers?

they need to find a way to fit the transponders to the outside of a plane, so it can't be tampered with in future.

There is of course, the possibility, that there was some sort of foul play or an attempted hi-jacking, that went wrong and so the plane was ditched in the sea.

A flight crash investigator has just hinted that the plane disappeared at the point of maximum confusion where it had said goodbye to Malaysia air traffic control and would have been about to come into contact with Vietnamese air space. So Malaysia wasn't aware it had disappeared and Vietnam wouldn't be sure when or where the plane would be entering it's airspace. I'm not sure how big the gap is between the two but it does point to something very sudden happening.

They won't have sat onthe images as such. Satellites pass over areas and record what they 'see'. Even though China has huge numbers of people at their disposal, they are unlikely to be watching every second of footage from the satellites in real time. They will be prioritising to watch for the things of significance to them (so round N Korea, disputed islands, foreign power military installations etc).

So instead they will have been reviewing all footage taken at times/places which might be relevant (like checking CCTV images, as opposed to actively watching). And that takes time.

Other nations have similar global satellite capabilities, will be doing similar reviews and have not (yet) announced they have any footage of the plane in flight before the incident, of an incident, or of debris.

The images I saw were actually clearer. They were probably helicopters taking new shifts to the oil rigs or maybe search helicopters.
We are searching in The Gulf of Thailand so different area.

What I have found shocking is the amount of sea trash/debris wtaf?

What I have found shocking is the amount of sea trash/debris wtaf?

Welcome to the wonderful world of international shipping. Ships jettison rubbish at sea, or they were caught in a storm and lost cargo, accident etc. Oil spills, huge amounts of floating jetsam and so on is sadly common. The damage being done to our oceans is immense.

Sorry for derail. Still at the lack of clear info. Thinking of those families.

I've also been convinced from the start that it has been hijacked and taken somewhere. The fact that the transponder went off just as the plane changed direction made me think it was turned off on purpose and that it wasn't an accident. Seems too much of a coincidence?

And they know now that it kept on flying for hours so, if it was all done on purpose, why would they go to the effort of hiding the plane's location and changing its direction and flying if they were just planning to crash it? (whoever "they" is). It wouldn't matter where they crashed it to them surely?

Sounds too planned to me? I have no idea how they would land it in another country though although Asia/Middle East is obviously so vast with lots of extremely remote parts. If it was a hijacking it would have been planned meticulously.

My hearts go out to those poor people and their families though. It must be awful not knowing