Missing Malaysia Air plane

[KenAdams]

It's so sad. They still haven't found anything, but thinks it's crashed into the sea.

For anyone that hasn't heard

Thanks for the updates Goldie, really useful information. Working, do you have a link?

Wow, Goldie, I just looked up spatial disorientation ... "A pilot who enters [foggy] conditions will quickly lose spatial orientation if there has been no training in flying with reference to instruments. Approximately 80% of the private pilots in the United States do not have an instrument rating, and therefore are prohibited from flying in conditions where instrument skills are required. Not all pilots abide by this rule."

!!!

That counts in every last crop duster though - all commercial pilots must be trained in flying by instruments iirc in the UK. Close family members and friends in the industry (both commercial pilots and AAIB) and don't think necessarily lack of training would be the issue - not sure what the regs are in Malaysia are though.

Thanks again Goldie. That will teach me not to just google and automatically choose wiki.

Thank you so much for helping me understand things better Goldie

is there any hope of finding it if it just crashed into the ocean, unseen by radar, at night, no survivors?

sorry to be so negative but it seems it might never be found

They'll find it it's just it might take a long time now. There's a black swan quote on the pprune thread that basically says the longer you have been waiting the longer it's likely you're going to be waiting. Horrible for the families.

oh, completely awful.
not knowing is just so horrible.

"That counts in every last crop duster though - all commercial pilots must be trained in flying by instruments iirc in the UK. Close family members and friends in the industry (both commercial pilots and AAIB) and don't think necessarily lack of training would be the issue - not sure what the regs are in Malaysia are though"

Did you take a peek at the link I posted above to the Gulf Air accident? They were trained to use instruments too. It didn't stop a crash due to spatial disorientation off the cost of Manama, Bahrain.

"is there any hope of finding it if it just crashed into the ocean, unseen by radar, at night, no survivors?"

Well, AF447 did just this and they found it - but it took 2 years to locate the main wreck. So it's probable. However, by now they'd found some wreckage.

And this morning they're saying it didn't turn back westwards?!

I saw a news report last night that said they knew it had turned around because it was being watched by the military
This was because it was considered a rogue plane as no communication
All the searching therefore has been done in the wrong place and there was speculation as to why this was kept quiet. one theory was that it had been brought down by the military
Apparently all countries have this policy

If it had reached the Straits of Malacca, it would have flown over land. If the military were goingto shoot it down, it would surely be done before, not after, crossing a populated area. And I don't think there is ever a rogue plane - no communication assumption.

As the news ofthe 'tracking' came some days after, it's much more likely they are looking at potential anomalies on records from satellites (bit like checking CCTV footage) rather than there contemporaneous monitoring.

And as the search area has been extended (again), it looks as if there is still no real idea where the plane is. Btw, anyone know what happened re the two possible sightings of a plane acting strangely.

But the military have now denied that.

If it had reached the Straits of Malacca, it would have flown over land. If the military were goingto shoot it down, it would surely be done before, not after, crossing a populated area. And I don't think there is ever a rogue plane - no communication assumption.

As the news ofthe 'tracking' came some days after, it's much more likely they are looking at potential anomalies on records from satellites (bit like checking CCTV footage) rather than there contemporaneous monitoring.

And as the search area has been extended (again), it looks as if there is still no real idea where the plane is. Btw, anyone know what happened re the two possible sightings of a plane acting strangely.

Goldie

hmm, so in a sense they are "behind" compared to AF447, timewise..

btw how do you know so much? I'm in awe of your insight & knowledge and your ability to express it so well!

There's a small map \link{http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-search-missing-plane-balotelli\here} which shows where they're looking now (Andaman Sea, N of Malacca)

Vietnam has stopped searching, India is starting

Weird

So the military have now denied any radar sighting of the plane at 2.40am in the Malacca straits. Where did that information come from?

The last confirmed position of the plane is therefore the 1.30am radar position. It's clear that they don't think that's where the plane is though so there must be some information that hasn't been released. Either that or they're just sticking pins in maps and saying "let's look here".

I might have missed this but at what point was the alarm raised that the plane was missing?

Goldie - In your experience do you/those in the industry get the feeling that information is being held back? There is something decidedly odd about this

My heart goes out to all those involved...What a terrible, terrible tragedy!!! I doubt N.Korea would do this to a plane with mostly Chinese nationals on board though. The Chinese are the only "friends" N.Korea's has in the world.

Has anyone seen this? It's an email claiming to have seen a burning object in the sky in the rough area of the flight path by an oil rig worker.

mobile.twitter.com/guywalters/status/443651290015338496

I am watching US news channel seem to be now saying Breaking News - Malaysian military confirm plane spotted on radar and Malaysian Authorities confirming 'plane may have turned round'.

To be honest the Malaysian authorities are not really looking like they are in control of this search operation or news/info flowat all and it just looks haphazard.

www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/25236

I am now addicted to this. I should be working but I have been searching satellite images for any sign of wreckage. I have only found a ship so far. But if everyone spends 10 mins all morning searching an area the difference would be immense.

\link{http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2014/mar/12/mh370-search-extended-into-andaman-sea-live-updates\some very scathing comments about Malaysian politics etc at the bottom of here}

eg

'OK. This debacle is the fault of the media according to Shahidan Kassim, a minister in the Malaysian Prime Minister's Department.
Shahidan blamed some journalists for asking "nonsense" questions, "Some reporters ask nonsense, Look at the foreign press, they ask things that have nothing to do with the incident," he said. He claimed that Rahman (the aviation director-general) is 'being bullied now because of the additional questions fielded, which I do not think he has to answer. After presenting his reports, he should just walk off."
How annoying it must be that pesky foreign journos cannot be locked up on trumped up charges of sedition.'