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Missing Malaysia Air plane

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KenAdams · 08/03/2014 09:47

It's so sad. They still haven't found anything, but thinks it's crashed into the sea.

For anyone that hasn't heard

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VivaLeBeaver · 11/03/2014 19:49

Mobiles won't work above 8000ft according to the pilot forum.

So if a hijacking occurred above that altitude and then everyone may have had their phones taken off them. Or after the hijacking g they may have crashed so quickly that people didnt have chance to call???

FourAndDone · 11/03/2014 19:51

It is such a strange and sad situation. Sad

Goldie your posts are fab and are helping me understand it allSmile

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 11/03/2014 19:59

Goldie, for the explosions I assumed they could scan everywhere the plane might have disappeared - easier to see than planes & ships searching the sea for tiny bits of wreckage?

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 11/03/2014 20:00

what if it crash-landed into dense jungle - could the canopy close over it again to a certain extent?

Meglet · 11/03/2014 20:00

goldie you're right. I forget there are places without mobile coverage.

alcibiades · 11/03/2014 20:15

I'm puzzled by the ACARS. Weren't they significant in the early days of pinpointing where the Air France aircraft went down? Also, aren't ACARS unencrypted? If so, anyone could have picked up those signals, so why are the authorities being cagey about releasing them?

I appreciate that the culture in that part of the world is different from the "West", which may account for the paucity of information. But it could be that they think they're dealing with a hostage situation, in which case it's standard procedure to say very little to the media.

PseudoBadger · 11/03/2014 21:15

So it's possible that the plane was hijacked, and the authorities have been contacted, and they are negotiating with them whilst keeping a straight face with the rest if the world?

GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 21:21

"Goldie, for the explosions I assumed they could scan everywhere the plane might have disappeared - easier to see than planes & ships searching the sea for tiny bits of wreckage?"

But that depends on having recorded the explosion. If they didn't... or if the recording of the new search area no longer exists... they weren't looking there for an explosion, remember. The wreckage will still be there. Drifted, maybe, but still there.

"what if it crash-landed into dense jungle - could the canopy close over it again to a certain extent?"

It depends how it went down. If it exploded and came down like confetti or if it crashed near vertical, then yes. If it came in with a lot of forward speed, it would cut a swathe through the jungle canopy. So it's possible, yes.

"I'm puzzled by the ACARS. Weren't they significant in the early days of pinpointing where the Air France aircraft went down? Also, aren't ACARS unencrypted? If so, anyone could have picked up those signals, so why are the authorities being cagey about releasing them?"

The ACARS didn't pinpoint AF447; it just gave a sequence of failures as the aeroplane came down with a time stamp. ACARS alone can't tell you where the aircraft is. ACARS data is not encrypted but you need the right equiment to receive the signal. Aircraft have different means of communication - High Frequency radios, VHF radios, VDR, or VHF Data Radio, and Satellite Communication (SatCom). The ACARS uses all but HF to transmit data, so if it's in a phase of flight that uses SatCom, you'd need very special equipment to receive the signal.

GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 21:25

There's another, very unpalatable, solution. Egyptair 990 crashed due to suicide of one of the flight crew. In this case, the aircraft could have been deliberately put into a vertical dive. From 35000 feet the aircraft would likely be supersonic or very close to it - and the structure disintegrating as a 777 isn't designed for that sort of stress. If it hits the water at that speed and pointing straight down, there wouldn't be a lot of debris to find and it would be in a very narrow spot.

KenAdams · 11/03/2014 21:26

It just seems to be getting weirder as the days go by.

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alcibiades · 11/03/2014 21:31

That's the problem, Badger. There's just not enough information, so it's all speculation. Which is not good. I suspect that when this situation gets resolved, however it gets resolved, there will need to be an investigation into how this situation was managed from the information point of view. From the point of view of the families of those on board; through those involved in various ways in the airline industry; and the millions of passengers who fly every year. If information is being withheld, it needs to be for a very good reason.

alcibiades · 11/03/2014 21:34

Thanks, Goldie. It's not as simple as I thought it was.

alcibiades · 11/03/2014 21:35

I mean, the ACARS.

MyNameIsKenAdams · 11/03/2014 21:36

Thank you Goldie for your posts. Its good to hear more detail about these sorts of situations.

I never even considered that the plane might have landed and be being held captive by another country.

GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 21:36

"If information is being withheld, it needs to be for a very good reason."

That's under the assumption that all societies are as open as and function loke those in the West. DH has spent a lot of time in SE Asia and the overriding thing you come across in that particular area is 'saving face'. It can be chronic in the airline industry out there and has lead to quite a few aircraft being lost in the past.

GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 21:38

"I never even considered that the plane might have landed and be being held captive by another country."

As I said, that's all a bit James Bond. I really don't think it's possible but there are others in the industry who do.

isitme1 · 11/03/2014 21:40

dont get it sky news
Just seen this

PartyPoison · 11/03/2014 21:41

One of the things that doesn't make sense with this scenario, Goldie is the switching off of the secondry radar (either by a failure or on purpose) but then the plane continuing to fly for an hour where it was tracked by primary radar. Why would the pilot not ditch it immediately?

There was also another case of pilot suicide with a Silkair plane.

PseudoBadger · 11/03/2014 21:41

Reading Pprune's threads about Korean Airlines certainly opened my eyes to the saving face aspect Goldie!

AuntieStella · 11/03/2014 21:42

isitme1 are you sure you linked the page you meant to? It's talking me to a story from Saturday.

livingzuid · 11/03/2014 21:42

That's very true about the pilot suicide. Wasn't there something similar with a Silkair pilot plunging the plane to suicide a few years ago as well?

isitme1 · 11/03/2014 21:43

I thought they saif that the oil spill wasnt from the planr buy from a ship and now it is??

GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 21:44

That news story was dated 8th March. Investigation has moved on since then. The slicks seemed to be fuel oil dumped by boats - not jet fuel.

isitme1 · 11/03/2014 21:44

Woops didn't check the date.
Thank you for that I was Confused

Blush Ita still coming up as breaking news so thought it was fresh
AuntieStella · 11/03/2014 21:46

The press conference this afternoon listed various areas in which there are active investigations. One of them was the psychological state of the crew. I did wonder at the time what they meant, but that might be an allusion to earlier plane suicides.

But that doesn't necessarily account for the plane possibly being so far away from where everyone thought it would be.