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Missing Malaysia Air plane

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KenAdams · 08/03/2014 09:47

It's so sad. They still haven't found anything, but thinks it's crashed into the sea.

For anyone that hasn't heard

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KenAdams · 11/03/2014 16:17

MA have responded to that allegation now TheOneWithTheNicestSmile.

Sorry for all the MA updates, but it's all that I can guarantee is official.

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OneStepCloser · 11/03/2014 16:34

Can anyone explain the phones ringing out? Which I presume means they must be intact?

It's such a mystery, I hope there are some answers soon, the poor poor relatives.

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 11/03/2014 16:37

\link{http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/11/why-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-must-have-died-instantaneously.html\this reckons it had to be an instant catastrophic event of some kind}

...but then where's the wreckage? & I still don't understand why they have no idea where it was when it disappeared

jamtoast12 · 11/03/2014 17:45

A news article had lots of info on the phone calls but I can't find it! Basically said it was calls ringing and then going to voicemail which a lot of phones do even if switched off. None of them rang out when officials tested them so think they've been dismissed. They dismissed online activity too saying people have stayed logged into sites?

Jjuice · 11/03/2014 18:14

Sorry not sure how it posted twice. On my phone so I am struggling a little.

I hope the link works. Not sure how reliable it is. I read too much!

I read somewhere about the phones that they could ring out if switched off or airplane mode as the network is searching for phone but when it then can't find it it hangs up.

I am hoping there is news soon. This is a hideous situation.

MyNameIsKenAdams · 11/03/2014 18:18

Saw something in the news today about one of the passengers who left behind his wedding ring and watch "just incase".

Its not something id ever consider doing, and it strikes me as very odd, but I dont know whether others would do this.

SoleSource · 11/03/2014 18:30

Oh sorry x post juice.

Bakingnovice · 11/03/2014 18:33

It's heartbreaking for the families. I wonder if crucial info is being withheld, it certainly seems to be being drip fed to the world. It just gets curiouser and curiouser. I hope the families get some closure soon.

I don't think the reports of suspicious Asian/balotelli lookalikes are of any use.

MyNameIsKenAdams · 11/03/2014 18:38

Someone on the news last night was discussing potential situations and said "however not all countries are cooperating with the truth"

Someone knows something.

KenAdams · 11/03/2014 18:45

WTF, MA have taken down their Twitter page, where I've been getting updates from.

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KenAdams · 11/03/2014 18:46

Oh hang on, it was Twitter playing up Blush

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MyNameIsKenAdams · 11/03/2014 18:54

Waah two KenAdams Blush sorry OP!

BriocheBriocheBrioche · 11/03/2014 19:15

I've just read that the plane was picked up on a military radar an hour after it lost contact. It had done a u-turn and was flying at a lower altitude..... I can't stop thinking about this... I definitely think they know more than they are letting on. I just hope the families get answers soon.

GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 19:19

"Can anyone explain the phones ringing out? Which I presume means they must be intact?"

Yes - a mobile phone sends out a signal to the cellphone tower to keep in touch. Each tower us at the centre of a cell and each cell is about 35km across. Sometimes it can take a few seconds for the cell tower to id where a phone is. In that time, so that the caller doesn't lose patience and ring off, the caller will get the ringing tone. It actually happens all the time - just because the phone rings at the dialler's end doesn't mean it's actually connected.

This crash is a super-mystery right now and it's clear the Malaysian authorities aren't telling us everything.

I work for an aeroplane builder and I have a degree in aeronautical engineering so I'm watching this with a lot of interest. It is a bit strange not to have found debris near where they have been saying the aeroplane is located. Lots of aeroplane parts float from the fin to seat cushions. You would expect that they would have found something if it went down where they thought it did.

Latest information is that a military radar seems to have tracked the aircraft flying in the opposite direction, on the other side of Malaysia peninsula more than an hours' flying time from where it should be. I wouldn't want to guess exactly what's gone on here. In the industry the main speculation is around hijacking and/or bomb detonation. There are other theories that relate to major structural failure - but in that case we would have expected ACARS data to be transmitted from the aeroplane to a satellite (the aeroplane in question was involved in an incident that severely damaged its wingtip. If the repair failed in flight it can trigger 'flutter' - extreme vibration of the wing as the air flows over it - that can break a wing off). ACARS is a maintenance system that monitors the 'health' of the aeroplane and sends the information to the airline in real time. The Malaysian investigators yesterday said that they are not releasing the ACARS data - which I find suss. Another speculation is that the crew became incapacitated by a leak of air at high altitude that triggered hypoxia and the flight crew passed out. If it's this, then they will probably never find the plane. It had enough fuel for a 7 hour flight plus enough fuel to divert to an airport 200 miles away and hold over the airport for 30 minutes. So let's say 8 hours x 500 miles per hour - it could be the best part of 4000 miles from where they think it is. This has happened one to a private jet and once to an airliner - but never to an aircraft of this size with this much fuel on board. But you'd expect that a radar, somewhere, would have seen it and the aircraft's tracking device (called ADS-B) would have been traceable.

It's all weird and there has to be a certain amount of info not being released or they'd have found it. When AF447 crashed in the middle of the Atlantic, first wreckage was found 48 hours later and much more 5 days later. The Atlantic's a hell of a lot bigger than the area they're searching now!

Sorry - just trying to succinctly describe some of the main possibilities we're discussing inside the aviation industry! And it's all speculation.

livingzuid · 11/03/2014 19:27

It's such a mystery. How could a jet this size go missing off any radar anywhere if it was still flying? And if you did have some nefarious plan, wouldn't you have expected to see an announcement by now or a ransom demand or something? What would the purpose be to steal a plane with all, those poor people on board only to disappear into nothing? Unless you wanted to use the plane for something.

Those poor families :( still left hanging. There is definitely more info they have than they are letting on.

NatashaBee · 11/03/2014 19:32

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GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 19:34

"Unless you wanted to use the plane for something."

That's the million dollar question - if it's been hijacked it would be difficult to avoid radar and it would be next to impossible to hide it. Two ground mapping satellites have been tasked to look for debris. If it's intact on the ground somewhere it'd be a serious shock, first of all, but secondly the satellites will see it.

It's not really credible. Never say never but it's all a bit too James Bond to be a realistic proposition. The industry is pretty sure it must have crashed somewhere. But there's so much conflicting info about where it was headed towards the end that it's hard to conclude where it might have come down - except to say it isn't where everyone thought it was.

GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 19:37

"If it crashed, would some sort of seismic activity not register somewhere, on some monitoring system? surely a plane has got to cause an impact/vibration similar to a small earthquake."

It's possible but not certain. If there was a bomb or a catastrophic fuselage failure at 35000 fett and 500 miles per hour, the parts are likely to be so small it'll come down like confetti. The exception is the engines. They're big, heavy and not likely to be effected by a bomb or whatever. They'd likely come down in one piece and I would have expected to register as an impact. I'm no expert thoug, and I had read yesterday that an angine hitting water from 35000 feet registers around 2 on the Richter scale but that the underwater earthquake monitors aren't triggered until there's an event reaching 4 on the richter scale. I don't know how true that is.

Meglet · 11/03/2014 19:41

But if it was hijacked surely someone would have managed a quick call on their mobile? IIRC the passengers on Flight 93, (the jet that was hijacked on 9/11 but bought down in a field), were able to grab their mobiles and let people know what was going on.

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 11/03/2014 19:41

they've looked for explosions on satellite images & seen nothing but if it was a decompression thing there wouldn't be anything visible anyway, would there?

Meglet · 11/03/2014 19:42

brought

GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 19:46

But if it was hijacked surely someone would have managed a quick call on their mobile? IIRC the passengers on Flight 93, (the jet that was hijacked on 9/11 but bought down in a field), were able to grab their mobiles and let people know what was going on."

UA93 was over land when it was hijacked; MH370 was well over the water before funny things happened. Given what happened on UA93, the first thing hijackers would do when they have control is take away anyone's mobile phone (hijackers might be many things but they're not stupid - they learn from past incidents). I would hate to think of the consequences of trying to sneak a call and getting caught. Besides, even if a call did get through, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the Malaysian authorities are suppressing that information.

GoldieMumbles · 11/03/2014 19:48

"but if it was a decompression thing there wouldn't be anything visible anyway, would there?"

No, you wouldn't see it.

"they've looked for explosions on satellite images & seen nothing "

But where have they been looking? Latest info is that the plane isn't where they thought it was.

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