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So the verdict is apparently due in the Meredith Kercher murder trial today

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PortofinoRevisited · 30/01/2014 11:56

BBC Link

The appeal after the overturned convictions. I hope this can all be brought to a close now.

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plutarch14 · 31/01/2014 12:57

The US will just not do anything they don't want to. The US is one of the biggest and most powerful countries in the world. Italy is a small European state. The Americans don't need them and have no incentive to give them what they want. If someone breaks a treaty (especially someone like America) there is jack shit to be done about it. I think she would have problems if she visited Europe though.

roadwalker · 31/01/2014 13:16

I think it is hard to judge if anyone is innocent without being present at the trail
I do find it hard to have any sympathy for someone who was happy to implicate an innocent man and have him jailed for life

noidles · 31/01/2014 13:44

I've been following this case, like most people, since RS and AK were arrested. I remember at first feeling that AK was probably guilty because of her actions around the arrest and all the press portrayed her as a whore with the face of an angel.

I read so much more into it, and was then completely convinced of their innocence. I understand why people say they just have a 'feeling' that AK is innocent. She did strange things after the murder and acted in a strange way. Usually when you read about or see murder cases reported in the media, it's often committed by a friend or family member, and often their cover is blown by their behaviour after the crime, but then there ends up being a wealth of compelling evidence against them as well.

This case just isn't as open and shut as that. I find it so hard to get my head around the fact that there's no DNA presence of Amanda in the room where Meredith was killed, and the only DNA evidence of RS has been proven to be flawed by independent court appointed experts. This is harder to believe still because Rudy's DNA is everywhere - on and in the victims body, all over the room, in the toilet. EVERYWHERE. Rudy also ran immediately and I think I've read that he was found with the keys to her room too.

The knife the prosecution claim is the weapon, has also been shown by another expert to not be the weapon, but the court still accepts that is.

There's also the distinct lack of motive. Many people dispute whether of not MK and AK were as close as she is now trying to make out, but I'm not sure that they hated each other the way the prosecution are trying to make out either. While living with people at university there's always fights about cleanliness and petty things like heating and loo roll. These aren't things that make you want to rape and murder someone. It's just not a motive. MK may have found AK annoying, but they certainly didn't hate each other - they went out together too much and the texts they exchanged just don't suggest a deep hated of either for the other.

When convicting someone of a crime you must do this BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT, and doubt just pervades the case against AK and RS. I cannot understand how they have been found guilty. I really can't.

Yesterday's verdict has made me question myself somewhat, because I just don't get why a court would convict people where there seems to me to be nothing COMPELLING enough to convict beyond reasonable doubt.

I'm reading Death in Perugia by John Follain because I've read that it's supposed to be the most unbiased view of the case, because I really truly do want to understand how this verdict has come about.

This case is just so sad - MK was killed in such an awful and brutal way, and from what I can see two people have now also lost their lives in a way. No one involved will ever get over this. Worst of all, Rudy has had a much shorter sentence imposed, and I hear he is eligible this year for day release.

This just isn't justice.

noddyholder · 31/01/2014 13:45

Does Rudy say he acted alone?

Lighthousekeeping · 31/01/2014 13:45

Jeremy is on radio 2 now discussing the case. It's interesting.

Birdsighland · 31/01/2014 13:55

I think this link below is interesting. People are saying a lot of things as if they are a matter of fact, and not conjecture. I understand Amanda Knox has a PR representation who are/were engaged in putting a lot of things out there is her favour. I don't know if they glossed over things or just gave part of the story in order to discredit the Italian system and put in her in a better light. As we found out with Saatchi, there may be lots of people posting/blogging to get support out there for her and maybe nurture a half-truth version.

I have read quite a few times about lengthy interrogations, but I don't know if this is a few separate interrogations just all added together time wise. Innocent or guilty, I don't know. But why all the dodgy stuff. Contradictions and different versions of things? Why did RS say she asked him to lie when they were asked about there whereabouts?

themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Evidence

Birdsighland · 31/01/2014 13:56

themurderofmeredithkercher.com/

Birdsighland · 31/01/2014 14:00

themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Evidence

Sorry, can't seem to make it work.

nostress · 31/01/2014 14:11

the 'true justice for Meredith kercher' website details all the evidence...

HettiePetal · 31/01/2014 14:16

Kate - on iPad so can't link to anything right now, but I will later, promise. There is also a documentary looking at the evidence, and some police officers went to the house, climbed in the window that Rudy apparently couldn't and reconstructed the breaking of the window. There's also something about the contested bloody footprint. I know that's on YouTube so I'll find it later - plus some defence documents written by expert witnesses that are online somewhere.

Birdsighland · 31/01/2014 14:55

Interesting, nostress. There certainly seem to have been a lot of inconsistencies in AK and RS different accounts/versions of events along the way. But again, I wonder why RS said AK asked him to lie for her. And the book giving a contradictory account of things things again.

And I don't know why people are discrediting the Italian judicial system. It seems to have been put in place to make sure things are examined and re-examined. It is obviously gruelling for those concerned. But maybe not against the interests of justice for the victim.

Birdsighland · 31/01/2014 15:18

I see Patrick Lumumba is shown talking to the Kercher siblings at the court. I bet he's glad he wasn't home alone on the night of the murder. He would have been set up good and proper by AK.

Lioninthesun · 31/01/2014 15:19

When Amand says they found her "innocent" before...when was that? I thought they found her guilty and the appeal was to hear the rest of the evidence, which was why she was allowed to return to US. Thought they pretty much said she was guilty before so this is no surprise? They have enough evidence IMO, the fact she has now made millions selling a book on it all makes me feel quite sick.

kerstina · 31/01/2014 15:41

I would need to re read the evidence of this case as I have forgotten it but would it have been possible that they were present in house when murder was committed and for whatever reason chose not to intervene and help her ? I just have visions of them in Amanda's room and hearing it but maybe to scared to help ?

DoctorTwo · 31/01/2014 15:45

Go on then Lioninthesun, let's see your evidence. The truth is that there is none, neither direct nor circumstantial. The whole case was fabricated by a deluded prosecutor who has form for making stuff up. I believe he's now been sacked.

Whitershadeofpale · 31/01/2014 15:55

How do you expect her to pay her legal fees then lioninthesun? Don't you think she'd find it a bit difficult to get a job now, especially one that would pay enough.

Minnieisthedevilmouse · 31/01/2014 16:06

Well, haven't you swallowed the Knox is innocent stuff hook line and sinker?

I for one am glad she's been refound guilty. And if you are actually following the case you know damn well who sollecito is.

I'm guessing hairy hands here. Buy better gloves eh?

diabolo · 31/01/2014 16:14

Great link Birdsighland - fascinating. I don't know if AK and RS are guilty of murder, but there is a lot that doesn't make sense in respect of alibi and various lies they have been caught out in.

Frozenatchristmas · 31/01/2014 16:35

For those who say they are guilty, can you tell me what evidence there is please?

Oneglassandpuzzled · 31/01/2014 16:44

Gosh, lucky for Amanda she isn't a UK citizen accused of a crime in the US she says she has not committed.

Because in that case they could come over here and drag her in shackles onto the plane. As has been said, it always goes the way the US wants so i am not too worried for her, innocent or guilty.

DrankSangriaInThePark · 31/01/2014 16:48

Lioninthesun- no, that's not quite right. Italian trials are done in 3 parts. The Assizes, the Appeal and The Cassazione (poss translated as High Court?)

They were found guilty during the first set of trials at the Assizes and the Appeal. Then, IIRC the Cassazione which everyone expected to confirm the first 2, threw the whole thing on its head, by ruling their innocence. Then (with me so far?) in the enquiry thing which happened afterwards, further judges ruled, effectively, a mistrial at the Appeal stage. Which is why that trial has just been redone, and why there will undoubtedly be a further cassazione trial.

(I may not have got all of that in the right order, but effectively there has been a) guilty verdict b) guilty verdict confirmed c) innocent verdict d) mistrial verdict e) new guilty verdict.

noidles · 31/01/2014 16:49

Birdsighland and nostress - thanks for mentioning those links, but when I look on the sites there's a clear bias to their guilt. What I would like is a site the shows evidence with no biased commentary. I mean, just look at this page there is an OBVIOUS bias, just look at the language used - themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Myths_debunked, you can GUARANTEE that there's a site out there dedicated to their innocence which debunks those statements too. That is the problem with these sites which are claiming to be impartial. They are not.

On that site, every aspect of the case, rather than laying it out as it was presented in court, it includes clear biased commentary that points to their guilt.

That's the problem! That's why some people are SO sure they are guilty because they are reading the sites you both mentioned, and myself and others feel they are innocent because we are reading other sites.

That's why I'm hoping the 'Death in Perugia' book provides a more unbiased/objective account.

DrankSangriaInThePark · 31/01/2014 16:50

The double jeopardy thing works in Italy as well, and thus, if they had been ruled innocent yesterday, they couldn't then have been retried not even if new evidence came up. Apparently. If I've understood correctly.

horsetowater · 31/01/2014 17:03

It's like a feature length episode of Inspector Montalbano.

What a mess. Guede was guilty and is in prison - so what happened? It's more like a witch hunt than a crime investigation.

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 31/01/2014 17:03

Minnie, what do you mean about who Sollecito is?

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