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Uganda passes anti-gay and anti-pornography bills

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omuwalamulungi · 20/12/2013 11:05

Really hacked off with my adopted nation this morning, to say the least.

Story at:

Daily Monitor

BBC

The president still needs to agree and there is a lot of international pressure on him but it's going to happen. Anti-pornography bill would extend to women wearing mini skirts in public.

You'd laugh, except these people genuinely think wearing a skirt is inviting rape, or that homosexual men recruit children.

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MrsTerrysChocolateOrange · 21/12/2013 04:09

It's so sad. Uganda is a beautiful country, full of wonderful people. I was there ten years ago and will never go back as long as these dreadful laws exist.

NiceTabard · 22/12/2013 17:52

When this was on the BBC it was on the same page as the Indian high court (or whatever they're called) reinstating an anti-gay law, and something in america with a load of people in limbo while they wait to find out if they're married or not.

WTF is happening in the world I don't understand all this hate. Why do people care who other people love / sleep with? It's just all kinds of wrong. This is the 21st century FFS.

omuwalamulungi · 22/12/2013 20:44

Exactly, why in 2013 are we even having this conversation!

I feel so sad that my son will grow up knowing this intolerance exists in his country. Uganda is so beautiful and has wonderful people, but the ideals spread by Pentecostalism are like a disease.

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Elizabeththefirst · 22/12/2013 23:32

Omu (great name- what does it mean?) I also know Uganda fairly well and am ashamed that this has happened.

Do you have any opinions on why this law came to pass? I'm hopping mad at the role evangelical Americans played in influencing and funding this bill.

Uganda is being used by outside agencies, with their own agenda. In my experience, while there is a lot of misinformation around homosexuality in Uganda, the majority of ordinary people are not homophobic.

omuwalamulungi · 23/12/2013 00:34

It's so nice to be able to speak to others who are saddened by this.

Honestly - I believe that homophobia has risen exponentially since the advent of Pentecostal preachers. These churches DO do some good things, childrens homes etc, but it comes at a huge price. Literally, I've attended some services and they take money from people who cannot feed their children. The preachers are always some faux-southern-american drawling his way through hours of pure vitriol, feeding people information which has no context or relevance in their life. Successful preachers are very, very rich men.

Preachers talk endlessly about anal sex and reduce homosexual relationships down to base (usually violent and non-consensual) acts. I would go so far as to say they are more interested in what gay people do in the bedroom than most gay people. They don't really seem to believe in lesbians. They actively discourage barrier contraception in a country with rising HIV, even the Catholic church in most cases turns a blind eye or even silently support agencies they fund giving out free condoms. It would actually be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

I don't know any Ugandans who seriously care about whether someone is gay or straight. The average person doesn't really "like" the idea of someone being gay, 'parading' it as it were, so in some respects nothing much changes, gay people will still not be able to live freely, but what they do in their own homes nobody cared, and now it's going to be punishable by a fine or prison not to report a known or suspected homosexual.

FGS I just want to scream at them who cares! Who cares!

Of course it's also true that these ridiculous laws and bills distract the dissatisfied element of the population from the fact that Museveni is still in power 27 years later. As well as questionable practices concerning Congolese blood diamonds and the newly discovered oil. I am hopeful that M7 is too firmly in the thrall of donors and outside influences (U.S Government has a huge base in Uganda) to actually let these laws come into effect. The Prime Minister Amama Mbabazi is also opposed.

I do believe they are reasonable men, but Ugandan politics is a mire.

On the other hand, it would be impossible to police banning miniskirts, seriously, on any given night you'd have to arrest every woman in Kampala.

Very long post but as you have probably gathered this is something which interests me beyond the direct impact it will have upon me as an expat and my son as a Ugandan.

My name means beautiful girl, my DP calls me it sometimes. I toyed with omuwalannyo which is slang for fit girl but changed my mind Grin

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PointyChristmasFairyWand · 23/12/2013 10:05

I think you have a point about the influence of extreme Christianity. And I think it is another colonial export, in a sense - these people are finding less and less of a platform in the developed world as it becomes more secular, so they are ranging more widely to spread their poison.

There's something pernicious about patriarchal religion - not just extreme Christianity, but also Islam and Judaism. It's all about controlling people's sexuality - that of women in particular, but it goes further than that. I wonder what these people are so afraid of?

law7988 · 09/01/2014 20:41

To couple the link of 'gay rights' and 'anti-pornography' bills is ridiculous. The two are not the same at all. It has become apparent that anybody who has a differing opinion to that of the media is 'homophobic'. It is perfectly acceptable to have a view based on Christian principles against pornography and 'homosexual practices' without being villified. People in the West have largely had their brains washed by certain groups in the last 40 years to accept a lowering of 'moral standards'. If people choose a 'homosexual lifestyle' that is fine by me but don't try to indoctrinate people that this is 'normality'. Most people are aware that not everything in life is 'hunky dory' and can cope with things that are less than ideal in the real world. So by all means let 'homosexuals' have human rights but don't villify the Christian community please for upholding the Ten Commandments!

PaulMcGannsMistress · 10/01/2014 09:22

Which one of the Ten Commandments mentions 'homosexuals'?

LadyIsabellasHollyWreath · 10/01/2014 09:29

Human rights includes not being locked up. Pretty high on the list I'd have said. So how the fuck can you defend this law and simultaneously say that you're happy for homosexuals to have human rights?

flatpackhamster · 10/01/2014 13:03

Well the anti-porn bill should please the majority of Mumsnetters.

NiceTabard · 10/01/2014 20:43

Gosh what a nasty post.

There is nothing Christian about hatred.

TaraLott · 10/01/2014 20:47

Why did you put homosexuals in inverted commas law7988?
Do you think maybe gay people are just pretending because it's fashionable or something?

NiceTabard · 10/01/2014 20:56

Well yes Tara everyone knows that these days, through the whole of society, from childhood upwards, people who are gay have a much easier time of it than straight people.

That is why so many people who are actually straight are forcing themselves into same sex relationships. In order to have an easy life.

It's obvious, when you think about it.

TaraLott · 10/01/2014 21:00

I'm going to have to hide this I think, it'll just wind me up, fucking religious bigots are the same whichever religion they practise.

But I will just say a grovelling thankyou to law7899 for being so magnanimous in affording people like my gay son Human rights, as she so obviously doesn't think they should have them.

Cunt.

NiceTabard · 10/01/2014 21:04

Hide it and have a good evening Smile

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/01/2014 22:07

As I said on another thread, if you don't like 'homosexual practices', don't sleep with people of the same gender as you. Let everyone else alone to do what they want. Lots of gay people are Christian and think Jesus would be speaking against people who were bigoted and hateful fine with them. Lots of people aren't Christian.

I know lots of lesbians and have visited gay clubs and women's group and so on and in all my years have been come onto by one lesbian, once. Once. Guess how many sleazy straight men have tried to come on to me? I cannot even think about how many. Hundreds.

TaraLott · 10/01/2014 23:09

Oh, quelle surprise, law7988's one and only post ever!

law7988 · 12/01/2014 13:29

I would kindly suggest that your comments would be better received if you chose not to use bad language on the internet. As I said before there is no problem in your son having human rights to practise what he wishes. However, as I said before don't be condemning of Christiam people who wish to uphold their personal opinions and ongoing faith. We are entitled to our opinion even if you wish to disagree. Thanks very much.

law7988 · 12/01/2014 13:41

My first post? This is not surprising as I have only recently joined 'mumsnet'.
Many thanks for taking an interest in my comments.

law7988 · 12/01/2014 13:45

I suspect your comment was aimed at me possibly. So here is my answer. There is nothing in my original post which suggests any from of hatred at all. I am merely enjoying lively debate on an important issue. My personal opinion is as valid as yours. I am sure both of us have informed opinions.
Many thanks for your reply.

TaraLott · 12/01/2014 13:51

You are not entitled to an opinion if it is discriminatory, I would suggest you read the law reports in this weeks Times about the 'christian' couple who refused to allow two Homosexual men to share a room.

As for you not liking my language, I would suggest that your mind is far more unpleasant.

And so you pmed me with your bile because I said I'd hidden the thread, way to go MrsChristian

onwardsandsidewards · 12/01/2014 13:54

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TaraLott · 12/01/2014 13:54

I see LadyIsabella got a pm too, mistakenly sent to me.

LadyIsabellasHollyWreath · 12/01/2014 14:06

Swearing is condoned on MN - pretty much encouraged actually. Homophobia, wanky little PA quotation marks and aggressive PMs are not. I suggest 7988 takes these facts on board and acts accordingly.

TaraLott · 12/01/2014 14:08

This is when I would like a 'like' button LadyIsabella.