Conservatives erase Internet history

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The Conservative Party has attempted to erase a 10-year backlog of speeches from the internet, including pledges for a new kind of transparent politics the prime minister and chancellor made when they were campaigning for election.

Prime minister David Cameron and chancellor George Osborne campaigned on a promise to democratise information held by those in power, so people could hold them to account. They wanted to use the internet transform politics.

But the Conservative Party has removed the archive from its public facing website, erasing records of speeches and press releases going back to the year 2000 and up until it was elected in May 2010.

It also struck the record of their past speeches off internet engines including Google, which had been a role model for Cameron and Osborne's "open source politics".

And it erased the official record of their speeches from the Internet Archive, the public record of the net - with an effect as alarming as sending Men in Black to strip history books from a public library and burn them in the car park.

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Petite, I speak french, have you got a link to Indignez-vous, I haven't heard of it.

Petite, there are some very clever commentators to Guido's site and one of them has called Labour's move to delete their speeches first "a preeemptive strike" and that may explain why the Tories were on the back foot and had to follow Labour's lead, fearful of what the socialists' game in doing it first might be.

Petite, you are right about the Tories, they aren't a real opposition because they are part of the progressive elite.

The EU socialists are clever, they have to throw the public some morsels such as talking about limiting bankers' bonuses, but these are pointless diversions from the real issue of the common currency having entire nations in their grip and eroding the democratic mandate of national sovereign governments and inflicting terrible economic hardship and austerity on millions of people in order to consolidate banker control of Europe.

The Tories and the progressives and the socialists are part of the same one system in thrall to the bankers. The only opposition comes from the Poujadist populist parties and that is what is worrying the progressive elite who try to smear the people's parties as crackpots, fruitcakes and swivel-eyed loons in a King Canute style attempt to prevent opposition to the banking elite whom the puppets and progressives serve.

"if Labour get in and freeze energy prices, TAFTA gives the corporation power to reclaim those lost profits from taxpayers"

That shows how ineffectual our puppets have become. The election is now abou bribing the people with freezes to their fuel bills (which will only increase after the freeze) or cutting some of teh EU imposed green axes or cutting a bit here or there in order to bribe the public to vote for one puppet or the other. The puppets aren't allowed to change policy, to steer a different course away from the iceberg, all they can do is rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

They aren't addressing the people's needs and beliefs, they "are all in it together" with their climate lies and all the rest and they hope that they can bribe the public to vote for them. Meanwhile a real opposition has sprung up all over Europe, an opposition that calls for an end to bail-outs and bail-ins, and end to rule of the "technocrats" and the progressive elites, an end to the lies and a return to real democracy and national sovereignty that serves the people instead of the progressive elite.

Oh dear me Claig, continue to ignore evidence all you like, it just makes your protestations look a bit daft. Type "tea party koch brothers" into your preferred search engine et voila! It's all there.

Also, socialists and capitalists both oppose bank bailouts, as we realise they only benefit the bankers and the already rich and are as far from capitalism and free market economics as it's possible to get. HTH.

The elite took over teh tea Party just as they try to take over any movement that opposes them.

This is the founder of the Tea Party in Russia Today

"America’s Tea Party movement has evolved into a nightmare for the movement’s founder. The movement used to be about corruption and government spending, but now it is about "guns, gays and God".

“It began with the Bear Sterns bailout. We had a handful of people, about a dozen, that marched on Wall Street,” said Karl Denninger, Founder of Tea Party and The Market Ticker.

The intention was to speak out against excessive corporatism and corruption and hold the government accountable to its promises of change.

“It took about a month for the establishment Republicans to come in and essentially take the party over,” he said. “It became all guns, gods, and gays. That’s a great thing to talk about, but that’s not what we intended.”

He added; “I don’t believe this is the set of issues we should be focused on in this country.”

There is not little discussion in the movement about the economy, corruption, the foreclosure crisis and other relevant issues.

“None of the so-called Tea Party candidates are talking about this,” Denninger said. “The slogan that we adopted very early on was ‘stop the looting and start the prosecuting’ and I can’t find one of these supposed Tea Party candidates that is actually willing to come out and say that in public.”

Denninger argued the original agenda may have to be fought through a new or different organization, since the Tea Party has simply become a member of the right wing of the Republican Party under figures like Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and Bobb Bar."

rt.com/usa/tea-party-denninger-usa/

' socialists and capitalists both oppose bank bailouts, as we realise they only benefit the bankers'

UKIP won approx 25% of the vote in Sunderland, in Miliband's seat area. Those voters were probably socialists. Of course, socialist voters are against the bailouts. I am talking about political organisations and socialist parties who are part of the elite and who back the banker bailouts.

Left wing and right wing voters will end up voting for an opposition to these banker policies and they will only be able to turn to right wing populist parties because they are the only political opposition to the banking and progressive elite.

"Up to 30,000 protestors in revolutionary red caps promised to turn Brittany into President François Hollande’s “cemetery” at the weekend, as riot police were pelted with stones and flower pots amidst anger over tax hikes and the gloomy economy.

“Resistance Square” in the Breton town of Quimper has become a focal point for fury at a deeply unpopular “ecotax” on heavy goods vehicles during the past week, which began with a protester having his hand blown off by a teargas grenade during clashes with police.

The government had hoped to quash revolt by “suspending” until January the tax, aimed at encouraging environmentally friendly commercial transport by slapping new levies on vehicles transporting goods weighing over 3.5 tonnes.

But it failed to dissuade tens of thousands of demonstrators from returning to the square on Saturday — not just to demand the offending tax be scrapped, but to vent wider anger at Mr Hollande’s failure to stem a rash of closures and layoffs in Brittany, and his dismal handling of the economy in general.

Several recent polls suggest Mr Hollande is France’s most unpopular president ever, and one IFOP survey published on Sunday found that 91 per cent of French people want him to change policies or his government before local elections next March."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/francois-hollande/10423888/French-protesters-say-Brittany-will-be-Francois-Hollandes-cemetery.html

It is the socialists and progressives who implement these "ecotaxes" and "green taxes" which are policies of the elite in order to limit growth and economic prosperity of ordinary people.

Lots of those protestors will be socialists, but they won't eventually be able to vote for the socialists and will have to turn to the only opposition to the bankers and the elite, which is the right wing Poujadist parties.

And of course, just like the Tea Party, the elite will try to take over and destroy the right wing Poujadist parties who oppose them. That is why the people may end up losing again and the Poujadist opposition may turn out not to be for real. Time will tell.

Remember what our Occupy movement descended into.

What Occupy Wall Street descended into. How brilliant.

That is not our UK Occupy, the one talked about on our TV stations buy our vicars etc

"The reason this debt is so cheap in the secondary market is precisely because it is bad debt to begin with – debt that the creditor-owners do not expect to be able to actually reclaim, and which they therefore are in a hurry to get rid of."

....

"If one therefore buys up this debt for pennies, if anything this actually helps the financial capitalists who own it, by getting it off their books and thereby reducing the uncertainty associated with their assets. The fact that the debt is considered of minimal value indicates the debtors involved are not exactly in a position to pay it back, probably not even the interest on the debt;"

...

"to use the financial system in this way – it still amounts to a form of debt cancellation with compensation at current market price for the financial capitalists, while a true Jubilee movement, to have any decisive political effect, must aim at doing so without compensation"

blog.p2pfoundation.net/a-critique-of-the-rolling-jubilee-strategy/2013/02/03

"Last month, I criticized the well meaning but naive strategy of the Occupy Wall Street group Strike Debt for dealing with consumer debt, which is to buy severely discounted debt from debt collectors and forgive it. My main complaint was that there were more productive approaches, such as wider publicity and distribution of the Debt Resistors’ Operations Manual, providing more counseling and legal support to borrowers, and using debt purchases to develop cases against the debt sellers. By contrast, the Rolling Jubilee increases the profitability of bad system by providing more revenues to the incumbents, while the debt purchases are unlikely to do more than help a few random people"

www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/12/strike-debts-rolling-jubilee-puts-borrowers-at-risk-to-politicize-debt-issue.html

Could this be a case of follow the money?

Bail out the financial capitalists on debt that is worthless and unlikely to be repaid which is why it has been discounted. Help the elite and claim to oppose them. How brilliant! How progressive!

No wonder populist parties are rising in popularity among the people. They are the only opposition to the financial capitalists, the banking elites and their progressive puppets.

When establishment artists such as Miley Cyrus, Jay-Z and vicars and establishment global warming campaigners show support for a movement such as Occupy, then you know it is not for real and has been created by the plutocrats.

When the vicars, the pop stars, the Sirs, the charity bosses, the progressives, the global warming alarmists and the Guardian support the Poujadist populist parties, then you know the game's up and they have been taken over by the elite. But until then they are the only effective opposition to the banking elites.

latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/11/miley-cyrus-ows-occupy-wall-street-liberty-walk-video.html

www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/10/jay-z-occupy-wall-street

And the bankers will place people high up in the populist parties to say stupid things that are aimed to put the populace off the populist parties. They'll try every trick in the book to turn people off the populist parties and all their pop stars, slebs and some vicars will support Occupy and their phoney controlled opposition movements.

Did you get all your opinions from the Daily Heil and the odious Dacre?

No, I read the Guardian and it became clear what the progressives were all about.

You're profoundly politically ignorant, claig, and it's getting tiresome having to correct your upside-down world view.

Why don't you take a break and do some proper research about modern political movements instead of reading everything from the Daily Hatred. You're not being well served at all.

'You're profoundly politically ignorant'

That's what the progressives say to the people and the Daily Mail readers, but there are many who think that the paper of the people has got their number, as they look down their noses at the "politically ignorant" masses who no longer believe their lies.

"Why don't you take a break and do some proper research about modern political movements"

Because the Daily Mail has already done it.

'You're not being well served at all.'

According to Roy Greenslade of the Guardian, as of 1 Jul 2013, the price of a copy of the Daily Mail is 60p and the price of a copy of the Guardian is £1.40.

At that rate, the Daily Mail reader is being very well served and the Guardian reader is being taken for another ride.

www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/jul/01/newspapers-mediabusiness

I hope Dacre stays in his job for years to come because he understands ordinary people.

After watching the Old Etonian, Geordie Greig, the Mail on Sunday editor, on BBC Newsnight discussing his book about Lucian Freud, I'm not sure that Geordie is in tune with the Daily Mail reader. He seems a trifle too progressive for the reader of the Mail.

By progressive I assume you mean intelligent and tolerant of those who aren't white, male and able bodied.

He doesn't know what 'progressive' means. S/he uses the word to mean anyone s/he dislikes.

Claig is possibly one of the one people apart from the Nazis who referred to the establishment as 'progressive'.

No, I mean politicians who pretend they are progressive but knight bankers for "services to banking", start "humanitarian wars", are advisers or on boards of large companies that provide services paid for by the taxpayer and who wanted to destroy the civil liberties of the people by bringing in DNA databases and biometric ID cards among a host of other policies which were not popular with the public.

She doesn't use progressive for everyone she doesn't like, just those who call themselves progressive or those whose policies are similar to theirs.

claig there are free translations online of varying quality. The author was Stephane Hessel. V interesting read. It was a v short book / long essay.