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Conservatives erase Internet history

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ttosca · 13/11/2013 14:09

The Conservative Party has attempted to erase a 10-year backlog of speeches from the internet, including pledges for a new kind of transparent politics the prime minister and chancellor made when they were campaigning for election.

Prime minister David Cameron and chancellor George Osborne campaigned on a promise to democratise information held by those in power, so people could hold them to account. They wanted to use the internet transform politics.

But the Conservative Party has removed the archive from its public facing website, erasing records of speeches and press releases going back to the year 2000 and up until it was elected in May 2010.

It also struck the record of their past speeches off internet engines including Google, which had been a role model for Cameron and Osborne's "open source politics".

And it erased the official record of their speeches from the Internet Archive, the public record of the net - with an effect as alarming as sending Men in Black to strip history books from a public library and burn them in the car park.

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claig · 15/11/2013 19:20

Thanks, Petite, I found it. Apparently it was a best seller in France and it was the inspration for the name "Indignados" of the Spanish protestors to the austerity.

The author wrote it aged 93, and was a member of the French resistance.
I've only skimmed it, but some of what he says is right.

The fact that it sold so many copies shows how indignant the public is with the austerity and many of the policies of the financial elite.

claig · 15/11/2013 19:34

Where I think Stephane Hessel has got it wrong is that he does not point out that the Europena Union is the power structure used by the financial elite to enforce is policies on Europe. In my opinion, the EU bureaucrats and socialists are merely puppets of the financial elite and their aim of centralised control of the monetary affairs of Europe.

That is why populist parties such as UKIP which want to secede from the EU are the opposition to their financial hegemony and that is why these parties are so vilified by the corporate media for wishing to retain their national sovereignty and independence from the financial elite.

The financial elite does not care for the people, it cares only for profit and control and regulation and it is only the populist parties that wish to pull their house of cards down. Will they win? Who knows? It depends if the people vote for them in large enough numbers or if the media fools the people.

claig · 15/11/2013 19:55

This is a bad English translation of what he says, but I think it shows that he has got it wrong and doesn't really understand that the financial elite work through institutions like the EU and the UN.

"The UN has been able to convene conferences like those of
Rio on Environment in 1992, that of Beijing on Women in
1995 and in September 2000, at the ‘ initiative of Secretary
General United Nations, Kofi Annan, the 191 member
countries adopted the statement on the “Eight Millennium
Development Goals” by which they undertake to halve
poverty in the world by 2015. My great regret, is that
neither Obama nor the EU has so far been manifested with
what should be their contribution to a constructive phase,
pressing the fundamental values."

He quotes the UN Rio Conference on the Environment. But he fails to understand that that is the elite's population control, global warming agenda which is responsible for the "ecotaxes" and "green taxes" imposed on French lorry drivers, which caused them to protest in Brittany against the socialist Hollande who is charged with implementing these policies.

First Hollande wanted to delay the "ecotaxes", but the people in Brittany forced him to promise to scrap them altogether. The financial elite won't be happy, they will be fuming, because their zero growth, post industrial low growth policies, beloved by greens and socialists, have temporarily been set back by an uprising of the people who were indignant but not in the way that Stephane Hessel foresaw.

The socialist and establishment puppets cannot rebel against their financial masters, so it will be the people in Brittany and elsewhere who will become the "indignados" and will try to end the financial tyranny of the elites and the media and will throw up false messiahs and puppets such as Russell Brand to try and fool the public.

claig · 15/11/2013 20:02

The Guardian and the New Statesman and the BBC and the socialists will desperately try to promote Russell Brand, with his apparent 7 million twitter or facebook followers, in an attempt to create a "populist" movement or "revolution" as he calls it, in an attempt to stop the real "populist" movement of the people to gain independence from the financial elite.

claig · 15/11/2013 20:05

Russell Brand says "don't vote".

The elite, the 1%, and their puppets do not want people to vote for parties that resist their vision of the future. But UKIP won 25% of the vote in council elections and in May there will be European elections and millions of people will ignore the false messiah, Russell Brand, and will vote for freedom from financial tyranny.

PetiteRaleuse · 15/11/2013 20:06

If you're interested I am sure there plenty of interviews on youtube. He went on Le Grand Journal and lots of other talk shows several times before he died in February. It was a surprise hit.

claig · 15/11/2013 20:10

Thanks, Petite, I will look him up on youtube. Even though I think he is wrong, the fact that he wrote it and sold so many copies shows that the public is waking up.

PetiteRaleuse · 15/11/2013 20:12

Yes I assumed you wouldn't agree, but interesting to see what an impact an unknown (outside of politics which in France is quite a closed group) old man can have in his final years.

claig · 15/11/2013 20:16

Yes, it is amazing. I agree with some of what he says, I just think he doesn't understand how the system really works. But the public is so fed up that they are looking for solutions to end the austerity and regain their rights.

PetiteRaleuse · 15/11/2013 20:31

Hmm, yes and no. He is writing from the perspective of someone who has spent their life v mich involved with a system, just not the same system we are familiar with in the uk.

PetiteRaleuse · 15/11/2013 20:32

Austerity the uk way is a con. Germany does a much better and fairer job of it.

claig · 15/11/2013 20:41

Yes, Germany cares more for its people.

ttosca · 15/11/2013 22:34

Can we stop making every thread about claig and her insane incoherent rantings?

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claig · 15/11/2013 22:39

Newsnight is on now and will be discussing both parties deleting their digital histories.

PetiteRaleuse · 15/11/2013 22:41

Sorry op was a bit of a hijack. I think you'd enjoy indignez-vous as well. It's v good and as you can probably tell from the comments here from a (French) left pov. V relevant to how we are screwed over, but not v relevant to the thread. Sorry.

PetiteRaleuse · 15/11/2013 22:42

Crap, will miss that. Watching sth on French tv.

claig · 15/11/2013 22:44

Do you get Newsnight in France, Petite? Is it on BBC Worldwide or whatever it is called?

ttosca · 15/11/2013 22:52

Petite-

Yes, I've read it. It's passionate and heartfelt, but not a very deep analysis of neo-liberalism and Capitalist Globalisation.

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claig · 15/11/2013 22:55

According to Newsnight, the Tories have changed their mind and the old speeches are now available on the Internet Archive. So it seems that the bad publicity may have had an effect.

PetiteRaleuse · 15/11/2013 23:05

No, not deep. Heartfelt is what made it so appealing to so many I think.

I get the freeview channels by satellite claig. Don't getiplayer or whatever it is called.

claig · 15/11/2013 23:20

'It's passionate and heartfelt, but not a very deep analysis of neo-liberalism and Capitalist Globalisation.'

Sounds similar to one of your posts, ttosca Wink

Golddigger · 16/11/2013 17:04

I love the way claig talks to herself until someone else joins in Grin. Genious.

I do wonder whether I am missing something on this thread though.
The conservatives, or any other party or organisation dont have to put anything on the web at all, do they?

I wonder if this is the start of backtracking from the web worldwide. And it might get back to just people posting everything about their private lives on facebook?

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