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FruityPops · 07/10/2013 12:20

Why are so many imams in the UK willing to force fourteen year old girls to marry against their wishes? Don't ordinary muslims know what's going on?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2447720/Clerics-18-mosques-caught-agreeing-marry-girls-14-Four-imams-investigated-undercover-operation.html

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Hubb · 07/10/2013 17:38

Oh wannabe that wasn't aimed at you!

TheGirlFromIpanema · 07/10/2013 17:38

I can also confirm that I am not MN royalty.

At all.

You are a twat though.

YouTheCat · 07/10/2013 17:39

Not MN royalty either, at all.

SilverApples · 07/10/2013 17:41

It's also the ramifications of potentially losing links with your community and with your family. Some people who break the taboos of their particular culture (homosexual, unmarried mother, refusing to conform etc) lose everything.
It is a huge undertaking in some instances.

BlingBang · 07/10/2013 17:42

I spoke earlier of friends who had their marriages arranged at 8 yrs old. The pressure was from family. When my friend wanted out after 10 years, the only support she had was from an imam who stood up for her and challenged her parents that their actions were actually unislamic. With his help she got her divorce.

SilverApples · 07/10/2013 17:42

Me, me I'm Royalty.
Off with their heads then.

friday16 · 07/10/2013 17:50

It's your strange theory that somehow the law breaking activities of some are the collective responsibility of all muslims.

I'd just like it on record that I realise that some people who wear jeans most of the time have committed crimes, so I'm completely completely opposed to all of those crimes, whatever they might be, on behalf of the jeans-wearing community. We are all guilty. Us moderate jeans-wearers must speak up, once we have accepted that we are not doing enough.

The McCarthyism is just appalling. Every Muslim is essentially being asked to sign a pledge to not blow shit up, not abuse their children and not attempt to murder authors. It's a Test Act for our times. There are sufficiently many Christians who have engaged in violence against abortion clinics for it to be a problem, but I don't feel an urge to race into my nearest Methodist church speak loudly and clearly into the microphone so it gets to their hearing aids and demand that everyone there repudiates bombing. Stalin was a bad man who was responsible for a lot of killings, but I don't think we need (pace the Daily Mail) to demand that everyone to the left of Attilla the Hun should repudiate the Gulag.

crescentmoon · 07/10/2013 18:19

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FruityPops · 07/10/2013 18:23

So most muslims have absolutely no idea that forced child marriage is going on in the UK. It's a good job I started this thread then.

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YouTheCat · 07/10/2013 18:31

But, Fruity, it is not (as has been pointed out numerous times) a Muslim 'thing'. There are other religions that have forced marriages. It is not the norm in this country. British Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus do not go in for this.

But you are determined to tar Muslims with this responsibility.

friday16 · 07/10/2013 18:31

So most muslims have absolutely no idea that forced child marriage is going on in the UK.

So what? Most Christians have no idea about "quiverfull" lunatics preaching in school halls. Why do you think that people should be interested in, responsible for or expected to condemn the activities of the lunatic fringe? It's guilt by association: either you believe that all Muslims secretly support child "marriage", or that all Muslims have a responsibility, merely because they are Muslim, to noisily condemn the activities of their co-religionists.

fuzzywuzzy · 07/10/2013 18:50

Fruitypops, have you considered the possibility that none of us mozlamic MNers on this thread have come across this phenomena because it does not happen in our circles?

What pray tell do you want us to do now you have alerted us to this apparently prevalent practice?

FruityPops · 07/10/2013 18:50

Cat - I'm not "tarring all muslims", but these imams were muslims, and the parents of the girls were muslims, and their extended families were muslims. Therefore, some muslims in the UK knew about it.

We are told on this thread that not many UK muslims know about this problem. I think more should be done to inform them.

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FruityPops · 07/10/2013 18:55

Fuzzy - can't muslims try to convince other muslims that forced child marriage is unislamic? It's worth a try isn't it?

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Hubb · 07/10/2013 18:59

Fruity - the point is all of the muslims we know already think it is unislamic

This is turning into a sad joke now, your last few posts can not be genuine.

friday16 · 07/10/2013 19:14

but these imams were muslims, and the parents of the girls were muslims, and their extended families were muslims. Therefore, some muslims in the UK knew about it.

Precisely, and exactly, the same could be said of the 7/7 bombers. The imam of the Birmingham Central Mosque, who is most certainly not a fringe player in a semi-detached house, still claims that 7/7 was an inside false flag job done to discredit Islam (his views on 9/11 are sufficiently vile as to not be repeatable). What do I deduce from this? That Muslims I work and study with all secretly want to blow me up? Don't want to blow me up, but are indifferent if someone else does? What?

Of course, just to complicate matters, Samantha Lewthwaite's extended family certainly weren't Muslims, but let's not let that stop the general purpose racism of your position. They're brown, right, so they must be up to no good, and the ones that aren't obviously up to know good need to prove that they're not secretly plotting, eh?

can't muslims try to convince other muslims that forced child marriage is unislamic?

Perhaps more Christians should have devoted effort to convincing Peter Sutcliffe that Jesus was not, in fact, telling him to murder prostitutes.

FruityPops · 07/10/2013 19:19

Friday - I have not mentioned skin colour. Who cares what colour someone is? I have a problem with imams in the UK agreeing to force children into marriages. It is happening, and every one who knows about it should be trying to stop it.

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FruityPops · 07/10/2013 19:24

Friday - Sutcliffe was one man, and if any right-minded christians had known what he was doing I'm sure they would have tried to stop him.

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YouTheCat · 07/10/2013 19:24

So what about the Sikhs and Hindus? What about all those abused Catholic children?

It is not a Muslim problem.

FruityPops · 07/10/2013 19:27

Cat - surely you mean it is not an exclusively muslim problem.

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TheGirlFromIpanema · 07/10/2013 19:28

Fruity, lots of people know lots of things about bad shit happening.

Your point is?

You are a fool, easily ignored, if your rhetoric wasn't so plainly agenda'd and hateful.

Do fuck off now.

Please.

YouTheCat · 07/10/2013 19:29

What about some of the states in the US?

In New Hampshire this is the law: A female between the age of 13 and 17 years and a male between the age of 14 and 17 years can be married only with the permission of their parent (guardian) and a waiver - but they can marry.

There are other states where it is legal for a child to marry.

What about Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 13 year old first cousin?

But would any of us say that the whole of America is rife with child brides? And all Americans are complicit in this?

friday16 · 07/10/2013 19:39

YouTheCat, we don't need to be crossing the Atlantic and going into weird Blue State USA. In the Vatican City, girls of 14 can marry. Perhaps every Catholic should be quizzed: are they all guilty, I wonder?

YouTheCat · 07/10/2013 19:42

True. Just making a point though.

Pixel · 07/10/2013 19:42

The charity Karma Nirvana, which supports forced marriage victims, says it has helped with girls as young as eight. It receives more than 600 calls every month.
That's an awful lot for something no one knows anything about Hmm.

I think there's a difference between a dodgy priest abusing children as generally he will try and keep it secret. It's not the same as marrying off a child with full knowledge and consent of the family!

Fruity: as I pointed out, you are taking every word of a Daily Mail report as gospel truth. Always a massive mistake.
Er..actually these people agreeing to perform marriages for underage children were caught on film...by reporters from ITV's Exposure programme. But of course because it's the Mail they've made it all up without a shred of evidence. Right.