Did anyone see todays News of the World?

[charliecat]

Front page, 2 peadophiles in a park with a video camera, on tripod, videoing little kids feeding the ducks. Havent read it yet waiting for dp to finish it.

CCL, it's because you're female.

People forget that females also commit offences against children.

No of course we don't know the details, but chances are maybe the mother didn't even know what was going on. the way ccl initially told it was that the mother had turned to talk to someone, turned back and there was a man talking to her child so she thumped him one. Imo if there was genuine concern she should have called the police but instead she took matters into her own hands which isn't right either imo.

Loads of people stop and talk to DD - only once have I felt uncomfortable with it. Do people really get so upset about it?

Another question.

How come the Police need all sorts of authority to record/photograph/video offenders or suspects, but the NOTW can do this without the permission of anybody?

And as someone else said, why print them, why not take the "evidence" to the police who are struggling for resources in this area?

Ah, I've an idea. Let's employ the NOTW for surveillance on these offenders, save the police an absolute fortune in time and manpower.

And for the record, the hostels can't monitor these people 24/7, but they can and do get offenders recalled (due to monitoring behaviour, rather than further offences being committed.)

fb I don't think they do generally, but the media gives the impression that generally people are uncomfortable with strangers talking to their children, when in general children talk to a stranger most days, the lady in the shop, the man walking his dog who says good morning on his way past, the icecream seller ... and the list goes on.

Imo we have to give our children a balanced view of the world. We can't go round teaching our children that all strangers are bad and should be avoided, because what would our children then do if they ever get lost and have to ask someone for help? It's the children who are kept locked away and out of the reach of all strangers who are more likely to be abducted, because instead of preparing them for the outside world, those parents hide them away from it.

Wannabe, I think we agree.

I was starting to wonder if I was just an uncaring, unprotective freak

they were arrested today according to local news

i live not so far from guildford

sowoffended I think that journalists do what the hell they want because they know it'll sell them papers and generally joe bloggs on the street won't take action because it's too much effort and even if he does it's a couple of grand compared to the millions they make off the story. But generally it's another matter when if it's their journalists in the picture.

Recently George Galloway unmasked the fake shaik and put pictures of him on his website and the NOTW were up in arms saying how this would compromise his safety etc and tried to get an injunction to make galloway take the pictures down. They were unsuccesful. personally I can't stand GG but fair play to the man i say.

I am about the height and build of a 12 yo, and am a naturally friendly person. So if I am at a bus stop and an elderly gentleman stops to talk to me, I will generally engage in conversation. Sometimes, even I, as a mother of a 2 yo feel threatened by these men, but I do not run off screaming that they spoke to me, so maybe the mother in question was out of order to have thumped the bloke, but as SowOffended says, you can't really judge until you have heard the full story.

yes, storming 11.15 post joelallie.

My children will speak to anyone in the shops, street, on the tube....I have never felt uncomfortable about a man speaking to my children. What sort of society do we live in? I think if you read certain papers you probably have pedophiles on your brain all day and see them everywhere, but actually like most posters have said- most children are abused by people they know. People who are very manipulative, who set out to gain the trust of the children as well as their families.

Ah, I see. Clever.

I like to think so, lol, alas it came to me too AFTER I needed it.

Even if they do bring Sarahs Law into fruitiuon, I don't honestly think that any paedophile will remain in the house they are registered at because of the 'vigilante' situation. If we could be sure that people wouldn't turn to violence it might work but there will always be a NOTW reader who felt it was right to firebomb the house.

I have read that alot of the people on the sex register have moved homes and not told the police but continue to sign on as if they still live where they are registered.

The judge in the US who jailed someone for 60 years recently is the way forward IMO.

Life sentences without parole with the option of assisted suicide for those who want to opt out of the world would be a start.

Then we need more prisons - so build them. Sarahs Law will not work in the UK IMHO

Part of the problem is that NOTW portrays peadohiles as monsters who look like monsters. Obviously some of them are. We would all be a bit suspicious if we saw those 2 guys on the front pages of NOTW filiming in our local park. However, so many peadophiles are respected figures in the local community who often have easy access to your children because you trust them or the nice uncle who just loves spending time with your kids. Nor are they necessarily mopnsters as such. Many abuse children because they themselves were abused so are victims themselves. Not so clear-cut with the 60 years in prison and assisted suicide then. The situation is so much more complex than NOTW is making out. They live in some sort of cartoon world where the beasts are easily idetified and always just pure evil.

I am not at all saying everyone who were abused as a child go on to become abusers themselves. It is true, however, that in many cases there is a cycle of abuse. That is also true with other crimes, but you cannot really compare sexual abuse of children with car theft. It's a totally different crime with totally different motivation. I am not at all saying that because someone was abused themselves as a child they should avoid punishment, but I am just pointing out who the abusers often are. I think the way NOTW portrays them as perverts and monsters who live in filthy hostels and take photos on the beach is a red herring.

actually the statement that people who were abused as children are more likely to abuse is categorically untrue. I did a short counselling course recently and one of the subjects we covered was abuce and obviously the subject of paedofilia came up. The course lecturer, who also counsels adults who have been the victims of child abuce, was telling us that although an abused child has a slightly higher risk of becoming an abuser him/herself, the figures are actually very small - about 2/3% more likely than joe public off the street.

Really? I am quite suprised. I thought the cycle of abuse and family violence too was well recognised.One of my friends who is a social worker was telling me not too long ago that she has to be careful when placing children who have been abused with families with young children, because there have been so many cases where the children have gone on to abuse themselves. Either way I think just writing these people off as perverts who don't wash like NOTW seems to do is misleading.

I'm sceptical about Sarah's law, for other reasons.
First, it won't be administererd properly, because it will be handled by the Home Office. These cretins already screwed up the courts IT system which doesn't work and is 3 times it's original cost. They let out dangerous foreign criminals, lose criminal records, and screwed up records checks have damaged the lives of many. Tagging doesn't work either.
In other departments ook at the CSA, quite literally billions wasted, huge injustive and nothing really achieved; or the tax credits fiasco.

The above systems are isolated from criminals, so it's hard to imagine the dysfunctional Home Office managinh a system where the people in it are highly motivated criminals who want to screw the system.
I have a relatively rare name, and Googling on it olny ever turns up Catholic priests and the cast of Star Trek. But what if you share a name with a paedophile ? Given that many sons share their name with their father, it's far from unlikely that a son may suffer vigilante action based upon what his father did to him.

Any system that allows paedos to continue in our society simply won't work. Keeping them in prison does work. It's only when we let them out that things go wrong.

I agree DC. Prison = no children = kids are safe from that predator. It's the only way.

Why I believe that they should be offered drugs to kill themselves (assisted suicide) is because a lot of them will do it if they will never leave prison, saving money and ridding us all of their evilness forever, but us not turning into barbarians by killing them. Thats just my opinion