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Women who leave their children

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sandyballs · 22/06/2006 13:32

I'm interested in your views on this article.
Sorry, fail constantly with links

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=391876&in_page_id=1879

It's a subject close to my heart as my sister in law has left her 4 children, and although I try not to judge her, I just cannot get my head around what she has done, and how she can bear to live separately from them.

No parping because it's in the Daily Mail

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NotAnOtter · 22/06/2006 23:44

I really believe though that although i am FAR from perfect - i am so desperate to do a good job and be as far removed as i can from what i had as a child that i work harder at being a good loving and understanding mum ....
some good can come from all the mess...

Pruni · 23/06/2006 07:16

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niceglasses · 23/06/2006 07:22

I have a good friend who is a counsellor and she had an interesting theory re probably 'our' mothers - I mean, this generations mothers. Their mothers and fathers, our gparents, were massively effected by WW2 - umwittingly it had a huge effect on their lives and thereby their parenting. They passed this on to our mothers and it passes on to us - it will take generations to work its way out. This can range from just upping and leaving to the very non-maternal mothers I think a lot of us on here talk about (including my own). I'm sure there are lots of other factors of course, but I think some of it fits.

Caligula · 23/06/2006 09:45

Good point ng, a friend of mine always points out that the WWII generation gave birth to the let it all hang out hippy baby-boomers who went on to start the divorce explosion. When people talk about the fact that in the old days "we didn't have counselling, we just waltzed through the blitz" they don't talk about the impact such unsupported trauma had on the rest of their lives, including their parenting.

NotAnOtter · 23/06/2006 09:53

true - my mum is not alone in her madness her children are too BUT iknow an awful lot of ww2 babies who are normal............

nicnack2 · 23/06/2006 19:10

i also think that society is now a leave culture. You are not expected to stay in the same job, if you have been married for more than five minutes/steady partner its a milestone. We no longer have to make do. Life is spent at a fast rate of knots and we are constantly bombared with our standard of life and how to improve it. Today i past a pub, they were sitting outside in the sun people my age. yes i was envious no strings, but then my ds1 sitting in the back of the car feeds ds2 (on long journey) and says im a very useful engine mummy much longer memory than a nice night out at the pub.

FioFio · 23/06/2006 19:24

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fistfullofnappies · 23/06/2006 19:50

HVDY, how awful for you and your siblings

One point that came out strongly from the original DM article, and which Ive heard from other sources, was Never, Never, Never to leave an unhappy marriage without your children, thinking that you can get them later when you've got a new life fixed up for them.

SenoraPostrophe · 23/06/2006 20:10

this thread is the saddest thing I've read in a long time.

nicnack - most of the stories on this thread are from 20+ years ago so I'm not sure the throwaway culture is relevant. I do think mental illness plays a part in some of the "she walked out for no reason" threads though.

spidermama · 23/06/2006 20:23

I've only known one woman who has done this and I haven't seen her since she left her boys, BUT I'd love to hook up with her again and find out why she did it. I'm absolutely fascinated. Surely we all have fleeting fantasies, when times are hard, of heading for the hills. I know I do. But I'd never, ever actually do it and I'm intrigued to know what pushes women over that taboo.

One of my very good friends was brought up by her dad because her mother left them. It's had a really huge impact on her whole life and her character.

Has anyone mentioned the woman in the current BBC2 series The Convent? She was talking about the day her mum left. I was in tears watching her.

Kaz33 · 23/06/2006 20:31

DP's mum left three kids 12,10 and 8 and moved in with another man. His dad used his fists. Mum lived in the same village but had no contact with the kids.

DP left home at 16, moved to london aged 20 and had nothing to do with his family for 20 years. After we met he tracked down his sisters and met his mum. She sees herself as the victim of an unhappy violent marriage and says that she didn't know that she could fight for the kids. We don't believe her and she is yet to say that she is sorry and she f***d up bigtime.

Its been hard for DP, but I think dealing with it and meeting her after all these years has made him stronger. The pain is immense, I couldn't even start to fathom it.

zazas · 23/06/2006 20:40

My sister walked out on her DS a few days after he turned two and right before Christmas, this was 8 years ago. I have never, ever understood how she could and it has deeply affected our relationship. She now sees him ever 2nd weekend if nothing else is on and freely admits that she lacks the 'mother gene'. I believe her, I rang him for his 8th birthday (when he was with her) at 11am and asked him what he had received as a present from his Mother and he said she was still in bed havinga lie in ...he was just sitting there waiting until she got up!!!! Our grandmother walked out on her 6 kids when the youngest was also 2. I worry it is in the 'blood' ....

NotAnOtter · 23/06/2006 21:02

if its any consolation zazas i think the fact you worry means you wont! Having lived it i would NEVER even fleatingly think of it - its just not in me...

edam · 23/06/2006 22:49

Just to put the other side of the story, one of my dearest family friends left her children. She was beaten black and blue by her husband but he was a great dad and she knew he wouldn't lay a finger on the kids. She had nowhere to take the kids too - they are older than me so I think this was the days before refuges. And I think being beaten regularly alters your thinking anyway and makes you feel worthless so, at the time, she probably did think they'd be better off without her. She was homeless for quite some time. She did see her kids, held down four different jobs to fund her daughter through drama school, but I don't think either of them ever forgave her. She was right about their father though, he couldn't do enough for them. and was a generally great dad.

She would never tell them why she left because she didn't want to mess up their relationship with their dad. Even when they were in their late 30s they hadn't worked it out.

Her daughter changed career and became an alternative therapist of some description. Was doing an astrology course and did her mum's birth chart. She came to her mum and said, this is weird, you only see x when someone has been a victim of abuse... and that's when my friend finally got to say, actually, I was. The very sad thing is she died, relatively young, not that long afterwards, so she only had a very short time with her children understanding why she'd done what she'd done.

Pat was such an amazing person. She had so much wisdom. And was so darn motherly! I feel very, very grateful for knowing her and for her influence in my life. And very sad that her kids missed out on some of it in theirs.

NotAnOtter · 24/06/2006 10:05

lovely story edam but cynic as i am... i could not leave my children with a man who beat me ..i would know he 'had it in him'

NotAnOtter · 24/06/2006 10:05

lovely story edam but cynic as i am... i could not leave my children with a man who beat me ..i would know he 'had it in him'

edam · 24/06/2006 10:48

She was right though. He never hurt them. I don't know if things were different back then in the 70s - attitudes to domestic violence, I mean.

WellKnownMemorablePeachyClair · 24/06/2006 11:00

oth my DH's grandmothers left thieir children- FIl and MIl. MIL was left with her Father who promptly put her and sister into a cre home for a lengthy but unspecified time, before removing her and 'allowing' her to skivvy for him. We don't know for sure why Mils' mother (from hereon gil- grandmother in law) but maybe GIl found out that her Husnband had fathered children by eight other women in their small town. we'll never know for sure if it was that (she may have never known) or something else as she passed away a few years ago, and although MIl met her they never got on and Dh never had the chance to met her. MIl has a very odd personality- very cold, dismissive, rude, always fueding with people. Has disowned Dh as a result of his mariage to me, and her marriage ened after 35 years partly due to her coldness.

FIL was a very different story- we have no real clues about his father, although we know that 'you wouldn't want to know' (according to FIl's adoptive aunt- er yes we would like to actually) nd we do know that there were a lot of american GI's based nearby. Add in their dark colouring and Aunt's racism, and we do think aqn Amewrican non caucasian airman MIGHT have been in the equation

Likewise FIL's mother- all weknow about her is her surname, roughly area of domicile, and that she was prepared to dump Dh alone as a todller to fend for himself. nice.

Fortunatley, FIl was takenhome by a nurse at his care home and adopted by her mother- he adores his huge and close family and considers himself lucky. He is odd in many ways but i doubt they're to do with hs childhood, as a person he is warm butlike MIL he doesn't do family ties- it always falls on Dh to contact him as he gets wrapped up in his life. My family is very different, we dson't ive in each others pockets but you get sesnse of them being there that DH doesn't have, and I feels ure this has its roots in his family history.

WellKnownMemorablePeachyClair · 24/06/2006 11:01

sorry- first word BOTH

fistfullofnappies · 24/06/2006 12:49

edam is right though, there are men like that. I used to know one

edam · 24/06/2006 13:12

PC, your FIL's mother might not have chosen to go. She might have been coerced or even forced into leaving him. Having an illegitimate baby was shameful in those days and would leave you ostracised by the community. Triple that or more if the baby was black. Doctors, midwives, officials of all kinds and parents would order women to give their babies up. Society was very, very cruel to women and babies who broke the rules.

WellKnownMemorablePeachyClair · 24/06/2006 18:29

edam, I know that and feel very sorry for anyone in that situation BUT he was 2 by the time she left him, and the idea of leaving *he was actually abandioned too, so in danger) my two year old whatever feels me with horror. I think there is a world of difference between a baby and a toddler you have supposedly bonded with.

I actually think FIl got the better end of the deal, in that he found a family to love him. I can see the damage filtered back to my Dh though done all those years ago.

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