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Latest attack in Syria

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Jammybean · 21/08/2013 22:11

Just watching BBC news, they were frantically trying to save a toddler who was convulsing . I feel physically sick.

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WetAugust · 30/08/2013 22:46

The whole idea of having 'rules' about war is something that I find absolutely heinous.

I can't see why CW are singled out for prohibition as opposed to carpet bombing for instance which achieves the same effect of killing everything in the area but is permitted. They are both mass destruction.

Surely war should be so dire an option to be totally unthinkable. Rules are obscene.

WetAugust · 30/08/2013 22:48

.. and the cheese-eating surrender monkeys are the Americans oldest and bestest chums now Grin

holidaybug · 30/08/2013 22:48

All things considered, I would rely on what I am being advised by the US and UK than any Syrian propaganda machine.

It is a fact that chemical weapons of some nature were used. The intelligence agencies know where the weapons were launched from and to and the communications that went on at this time. What more 'evidence' do you need?

WetAugust · 30/08/2013 22:50

Seriously Holiday?

I wouldn't trust any of them to give me the truth TBH.

They all have their own agendas as Mr Blair proved.

holidaybug · 30/08/2013 22:51

Yes, absolutely.

claig · 30/08/2013 22:54

holidaybug, why do you think that the British public are against intervention and the MPs did not back Cameron's motion?

Why do you think that the British public are not behind it when the BBC reports on it, interviews doctors and shows pictures?

It seems that some of the MPs and the British public and Ed Miliband want more evidence than what the BBC report.

claig · 30/08/2013 22:55

Why do you think that the Daily Mail did not back it despite the BBC reports

holidaybug · 30/08/2013 22:57

Read the attached if you are interested

s3.documentcloud.org/documents/782091/08-30-2013-usg-assessment-on-syria.pdf

Unlikelyamazonian · 30/08/2013 22:58

Where is Bliar?

Unlikelyamazonian · 30/08/2013 22:59

don't understand why no media has doorstepped him and if they have (they must have done??) have't broadcast his reaction. where IS Bliar???

WetAugust · 30/08/2013 22:59

It's the inevitable outcome of Blair's manipulation via the 'dodgy dossier'. We simply don't trust politicians to tell us the truth.

I also think that politics in the UK is changing. We have a coalition - a lot of Liberal MPs voted against their own coalition (as well as Tories). There is also the UKIP factor and they were against intervention.

The days when a PM could decide what was best for the country and have it automatically ratified by Parliament are long gone.

And I don't think that's a bad thing.

holidaybug · 30/08/2013 23:00

I don't recall voting in a referendum on Syria so where is this British public that is not behind intervention in Syria? I would say that the British public is divided.

claig · 30/08/2013 23:02

"don't understand why no media has doorstepped him and if they have (they must have done??) have't broadcast his reaction. where IS Bliar???"

The media won't do tht because they know that the public don't trust Blair, so that won't be helpful.

claig · 30/08/2013 23:04

'I don't recall voting in a referendum on Syria so where is this British public that is not behind intervention in Syria?'

Read the opinion polls. Read the comments of readers in papers like the Daily Mail and others and you will see the real mood of the people.

WetAugust · 30/08/2013 23:04

But the document is the US Government's assessment Holiday. You're just seeing a distillation of everything they want you to know.

What doesn't support their cause they keep to themselves.

The public is very divided on Syria. I find myself agreeing with Diane Abbott which is a surreal situation for me.

holidaybug · 30/08/2013 23:04

Daily Mail? No thanks

filee777 · 30/08/2013 23:06

I actually think the public are divided just as the house was, I think it actually represented the views of the public, for a change.

holidaybug · 30/08/2013 23:07

Let's turn it around - what credible evidence have you seen that this was an act by rebels on their own people?

claig · 30/08/2013 23:10

"Daily Mail? No thanks"

But that is teh second most widely read paper by the British public and the world's number one news website. That's why Daily Mail editorials are significant and why ex-editors of teh Daily telegraph such as Max hastings write columns for it.

You obviously want us to bomb Syria. The Daily Mail reported that people living in Damascus were scared that if cruise missiles hit Syrian arms sites that any chemical weapons would not be destroyed immediately by the strike, but that the chemicals and fumes might spread across Damascus and kill innocent people.

WetAugust · 30/08/2013 23:15

None whatsoever Holiday

That's the rub. We get fed what the politicians decide to feed us. Whether we choose to swallow it is another matter.

One side uses CW. The other cuts the heart out of its slain enemy and eats it. Both are mindsets that are totally alien to me.

I don't want anything to do with either side thanks.

holidaybug · 30/08/2013 23:17

I'm not denying its popularity - I just don't think it will necessarily represent the views of the educated British public.

claig · 30/08/2013 23:20

'I actually think the public are divided just as the house was, I think it actually represented the views of the public, for a change.'

You are exactly right, filee777. That is what is so unusual about this vote and this decison. The MPs, Labour and the Tory and LibDem rebels are actually in tune with public opinion.

Paddy Ashdown was on TV. He is disappointed. He said that Farage would be cheering. It is the British public that is relieved and amazed that its representatives are in tune with what they think.

holidaybug · 30/08/2013 23:21

I agree WetAugust with some of what you say - I don't know what comes over people in war situations when you read of some of the atrocities. Not just Syria .. there are some terrible stories regarding what happened in Srebrenica to take another example.

WetAugust · 30/08/2013 23:22

Mail headline story is rather contrived so they can show the picture of Cameron in his Bullingdon uniform. I think the big guns are definitely out for him now. Perhaps we will have a very British coup.

His response - according to the Telegraph he is planning a reshuffle.

Well that's really reassured me that he's got a grasp on things - maybe not on this planet but somewhere in Dave-land.

claig · 30/08/2013 23:23

'I'm not denying its popularity - I just don't think it will necessarily represent the views of the educated British public.'

With some of Britain's finest minds such as Max Hastings, Simon Heffer, Melanie Phillips, Peter Hitchens and Richard Littlejohn writing for it regularly, I find it difficult to see how the educated British public can disagree with it!