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4 year old starved to death by his parents

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SquidgyMummy · 04/06/2013 19:53

Horrendous Story

What i can't understand is why all the people who could have helped him: Teachers, school nurse, doctors etc could not see he was being mistreated. My 2 1/ year old weighs more than that poor child when he died.
I am just sickened by his needless death and the hand wringing "if only's" by the other adults who should have protected him

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Nancy66 · 01/08/2013 11:15

They're not 'step fathers' though - hate the misuse of that word. They are just the skanky mother's latest fuck.

OneStepCloser · 01/08/2013 11:24

I dont think its about a step father being involved in this case, clearly this was both the mother and boyfriend being equally as involved and evil from what I can see, and this little boy being let down by those around him.

And I agree with Nancy, the media should not give these men the title of step father they are not.

LaVolcan · 01/08/2013 12:04

the skanky mother's latest fuck.

OK, I was just going by what was reported. The women always seem to be unable to do anything about it.

glitterz · 01/08/2013 12:12

Audrina ? the teacher did not report this anonymously as she would have surely mentioned it when she was in court?

Of course she couldn?t kidnap the child, but she and the school should have called the police when he came to school with black eyes and pressure mark bruises on his neck. Even if they believed the lies on the eating disorder, they should have put two and two and together and realised that he was being abused. If I were the teacher/headtecher, I would have held on to that dear boy with all my strength and not have let his wicked mother take him home for more suspected abuse.

AudrinaAdare · 01/08/2013 13:04

That's true, glitterz.

And with the injuries you describe, how on earth were they explained? Sibling blamed perhaps? That is often the case and is sometimes true. I'd have made the police call I think...

MissStrawberry · 01/08/2013 18:40

It won't be long and there will be more hand wringing and saying how it mustn't happen again, lessons must be learned etc etc etc.

If the powers that be still aren't getting it after all these poor children have already died then when will they?

It just leaves me speechless that no one ever seems to care enough to push that little bit further to check on a child they are worried about and yet again another child dies an horrific death.

The whole system needs a massive overhaul with people with real life experience advising and not just someone who has a degree but with no actual experience of life, abuse, cruelty, the ways that abusers think and act and the right way to interview children. Just beggars believe.

MissStrawberry · 01/08/2013 18:45

"It is hard to know from what is written how far up their referral had gone, although it sounds like there was substantial help offered and declined by the parents."

Well of course SconeInSixtySeconds seeing as they were abusing him.

evie190 · 01/08/2013 19:24

I am gobsmacked in relation to two remarks just seen "Northern Lurker" suggests we must wait for the Court findings - weren't the texts on those vicious creatures enough evidence? What about the child's emaciated body, bruising, constant stealing from bins and elsewhere like some little homeless tramp -
Then there's Cloverer - "Seen worse packed lunches" Are these individuals human beings or automatums?
I suggest this whole thing was pure cowardice -
I was censored back in the late '80s - Living in a semi detached property - too ill to work or leave the house - overhearing definite marital disharmony - then a blow overheard through the party wall and the toddler's immediate crying - I reported it to social services -
I was unaware of what happens (being newly divorced) to those who report a police officer (the father newly promoted to CID)

I'm sure you can imagine the result -
Social services handled it badly - told me they'd only come and support me if I left my house! - hand the case back to police welfare who were onto me like a ton of bricks -
Not long after I was treated to an ever increasing harassment campaign - the ex's cousin being high up in police transport division
panda cars at my door late at night suggesting my report was purely vindictive - in fact it wasn't
The story eventually was twisted in that I was accused by police welfare detective Supt Jolly of reporting the thing as "child sexual abuse"
As I said to him "I'm not sure how one deduces sexual abuse through the party wall!!"
At the same time I was being harassed by the ex's relatives closeby - I was unaware while visiting one of the ex's brothers at HMP Norwich - what two broken arms meant - it was explained eventually that he'd abused ALL three baby daughters - It took a long time for me to work out what all the hostility was actually about - the ex's aunt living two doors away and the cousin's wife just down the road were driving a hate campaign in order to discredit me before the story of their family actually landed on their doorstep-
I did the right thing - I would do it again - that little girl was being picked on and ignored by the mother because the father favoured her
I know all about mother daughter jealousy and step parent jealousy
They say that by the time a step child reaches the age of 14 the child is likely either to commit suicide or have been murdered -
My mother and stepfather both had hidden agendas - both seriously resentful about a younger sister
I therefore found myself proxy for their resentments
Not till after I'd spoken to someone employed at a monstrous boarding establishment where they dumped me - years after the event who said
you do realise that the two owners Dr Bullen and Trixie Portsmouth (now deceased) were closet gays -
The penny dropped with a crash - reasons why I was targeted for openly preferring boys - and my mother who on my stepfather's last posting to Germany with the army picked up a sitting duck East German housekeeper Frau P -
My stepfather provided the attractive three story townhouse just off High St Kensington - since women were unable to obstain mortgages in the '50s - then had his marching orders and Frau P became her "companion" - and whom I was played off against continually - witnessing present
s loaded down on her before going to visit relatives -
Sadly too many are seriously naïve about what really goes on between parent and child- particularly immature ones with drink problems and incapable of keeping their hands to themselves - Hitting ruins a child's sense of safety and trust not to mention self worth - if I'd not been hit
I would never have accepted the same in adulthood believing that that
was all part of a supposed "loving relationship?"

What a joke!
No wonder our children are said to be the unhappiest in Europe!

Secretswitch · 01/08/2013 19:33

Evie190, it sounds like you have been through hell. You have given lots of personal, perhaps identifying imformation in your post. You seem very distraught. I hope you can find some RL support. I am sorry for the abuse you endured..

handcream · 01/08/2013 19:42

I agree re labelling any old no mark 'step father'. And I might be flamed but there are certainly a growing minority of women who let any old male access to their children because clearly their need for a man is far far greater than the child's. The birth father was a complete waste of space as well. Blaming everyone for what happened. Where was he in all this....

LaVolcan · 01/08/2013 21:22

Indeed handcream. I can remember another such case a few years back, where the boy was killed by his mother (can't remember his name). The relatives - grandmother, estranged father- were slagging the social services off for not doing something. Er, where were they, why didn't they help the boy?

handcream · 01/08/2013 21:28

Another disfunctional family. Mother, father (but clearly not involved) vicious boyfriend, another child living in the same house. We are so busy trying to accept all types of family units that we dont see what is staring us in the face.

I believe the sentence is tomorrow likely to be life I suspect but not until they die. Perhaps 15 years minimum.

timtam23 · 01/08/2013 22:39

handcream the starting tariff for murder will be 15 yrs in this case. There are loads and loads of exacerbating factors (premeditation, Daniel's young age, the degree of cruelty & planning involved, lying to cover up their tracks, failing to seek help when he lay dying etc) so I imagine the minimum tariff will be very significantly higher once the judge takes all of this into account. I was wondering if they would get 30+ years each. "Whole life" tariffs are unlikely here I think (unfortunately) because they can only be given in certain circumstances, even when the crime is murder.

handcream · 01/08/2013 22:48

If they get 30 yrs will they serve only half? That's if they don't get attacked in prison. I am wondering - what has happened over the yrs to Baby P killers and Victoria Clumbie in prison?

timtam23 · 01/08/2013 23:06

No the minimum term is what they have to serve before they are eligible to be considered for parole (they don't automatically get a parole hearing after the minimum term is up)

this is different to the "non-life" sentences where they would serve only half of the sentence before being released on licence

Baby P case - one I think (the mum's partner's brother) has definitely been released because his indeterminate sentence was reduced to 3 yrs on appeal so he would have been released after serving half. The other 2 had indeterminate sentences and the mother's partner was also jailed for life for raping a 2 yr old so he at least will still be in jail, the mum may also still be in jail.

The Victoria Climbie killers may well still be in jail, not sure what their mnimum sentences were

nettle1 · 01/08/2013 23:16

Baby peters evil stepfather got 12 years to serve for allowing or causing the death of a child and raping peters two year old sister. Its a pathetic sentence. The mother is already up for parole after serving a measly 5 years. Even her own mother argues it wasn't enough. She has ballooned to 20 stone after she says eating too many jam tarts in prison. Where is the so called justice in that?!!

nettle1 · 01/08/2013 23:17

Steven Barker was the name of the evil stepfather of baby peter

handcream · 01/08/2013 23:25

Oh God. I guess they will be protected like crazy by the authorites when they get out. Raping a 2 year old! Where in society can we put these scum. They seem to find each other and then committ the most appalling crimes. I don't understand sentences tbh. A 20 stone ex child killer - who will cost thousands. Never get a job, never give anything back.

It makes me feel physically sick tbh.

Quaffle · 01/08/2013 23:30

Cases like this make me really hope that the "parents" get comprehensively battered in jail on a regular basis.

I don't like hoping it but I can't help it :(

OneStepCloser · 01/08/2013 23:31

If they are sentenced to murder, parole won't even be looked at until they admit and accept their guilt. So even if they can be considered for parole it won't mean they will get it, and I presume he at least will be sent straight back to Poland if he is ever released. I think I read there are outstanding convictions waiting for him?

handcream · 01/08/2013 23:33

Baby Peter's mother seems to have done ok and survived - what on earth is she doing being eligble for parole....

OneStepCloser · 01/08/2013 23:38

Was she convicted of murder though?

I do agree with you though, it's just so awful. I just don't know what to say, if you know what I mean.

timtam23 · 01/08/2013 23:46

I think the murder cases against Baby P's mum & her partner collapsed due to lack of evidence - they were both convicted of causing or allowing the death of a child. So her sentence was indeterminate for public protection & the protection of young children - presumably someone now considers that she is less of a danger and therefore eligible for parole

The partner will have to serve the minimum term on his life sentence for rape before parole can be considered. So 10 years. (I think he had a fixed term sentence for Baby P's death - 12 yrs?)

There was a big outcry over the sentences but I think the judge did about as much as he could given the limitations of the law & that there were no convictions for murder

It's not long enough though is it, that poor baby suffered terribly.

Paula0506 · 02/08/2013 00:09

Please sign this petition at Change.org for Daniel.

www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/change-the-law-to-better-protect-vulnerable-children-like-daniel-pelka

This aim is to make it a legal obligation for adults in responsible positions to help children who are clearly in distress.

As Geoffrey Robinson, MP for Coventry North West. said to Sky News today "?people seeing a kid beaten, starved to death in our own country...you can?t just say there is nothing we can do about it."

So please sign this petition and help change the law to help vulnerable children like Daniel.

Paula0506 · 02/08/2013 00:12