4 year old starved to death by his parents

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Horrendous Story

What i can't understand is why all the people who could have helped him: Teachers, school nurse, doctors etc could not see he was being mistreated. My 2 1/ year old weighs more than that poor child when he died.
I am just sickened by his needless death and the hand wringing "if only's" by the other adults who should have protected him

Sadly LaVolcan I think there are many people in our society who are disinterested in politics, and are unaware of the way this evil coalition is slashing budgets of public services while at the same time handing out billions to private enterprises, who are now being seen to be wholly inefficient. This coalition is evil and cares nothing for the ordinary people or children of this country so long as they are all wallowing in wealth.

There are many many more cases of children being ill treated and even dying at the hands of their parents/step parents but it's only a few (like baby Peter) that make the headlines, and I'm never sure why this is the case.

We had a case in the LA where I worked for 25 years. A 1 yr old child was murdered by the step father and the mother was terrified of the man too. There was an older child who was the natural child of the step father. It was a fairly horrendous case and the maternal grandmother made allegations against the step father, but every time there was an allegation it was investigated by a sw and police from the Child Protection Unit, and nothing could be proven. The baby was examined by a paediatrician and nothing found.

However the baby died at the hands of the step father at aged 1 yr and the parents walked around the town with the baby in the buggy while they bought cigarettes before taking the child to hospital where she died soon after arrival. This case didn't make the headlines, and I know there are many more such cases.

I don't know what the answer is - we are meant to be the higher form of animal life. However the male lion will kill the cubs of a lioness if he wants to mate her, to preserve his gene pool. I think in most of the cases of serious ill treatment or death of a child, there is a step parent involved, usually a step father. It is quite scary that humans are capable of such horrific treatment of a child. As sws we do try to understand the worst of human behaviour and I have never met an abuser who was not abused as a child him/herself. That is not to say all children who are abused go on to abuse their own children. However I have to say I have no understanding of such cruel and prolonged abuse.

I don't think you can blame animal instincts because lions kill the cubs of other lions.

In this case the mother was just as culpable, not someone who was terrorised into submission. There are plenty of good step-parents who are decent human beings - thankfully monsters like these ones are very rare.

(Side issue but my inner pedant cannot be restrained - I think you mean uninterested, FWIW. Disinterested means impartial.)

I hope he is sent to Wakefield Prison because he won't be in there long before he is attacked. April Jones killer was in Theresa's than a moth before he was attacked!!! I hope they gauge his fucking eyes out the nasty evil cunt.

And as for
Her. There are no words to describe her. Someone who could do that to their own child is beyond help she needs a good battering

Is there a reason why British taxpayers have to foot the bill to keep these scumbags in jail for the next 30 yrs?

Why can't they be sent back to Poland?

I personally feel they should be serving their sentence in Poland, not the UK. They need harsh treatment, not a hotel service where they get treated with dignity. Not after what they've both done.

DH suspects that someone will already have a contract out on their lives as we speak.

handcream is right on her instincts of the mother though by her description. The mother does look rough as f*@k (as I'd put it where I'm from). Before I read about it, I could tell from the photograph that I saw of them both that drugs and alcohol would be involved in their lives...she looks extremely messed up. And he does look like a thug.

"One thing that is odd is that there was a sibling who was not ill treated as far as we know."

NanaNina I think I heard on Radio 4 last night that the work colleague of the partner knew their was something going on, apparently the partner said to his colleague that Daniel was 'autistic' and 'couldn't feel pain'. Perhaps the older sibling was seen as a "normal" child, and Daniel not? Who knows what was going on in their heads...

Sadly it's not unknown for one child to be singled out as the victim, while other children are either treated well or less victimised. I doubt this pair of monsters were good parents to Daniel's sibling(s) but they certainly visited their spite and hate on poor Daniel. Heartbreaking testimony from one sibling who tried to help Daniel - tried to find food for him. Little child trying to protect him from the abusers, doing more for Daniel than any adult.

PeriodMath and IrnBru I read in the paper today that they could both apply to serve their sentences in Poland, however the Justice Secretary has the power to veto their requests. On one hand, if they were in Poland it wouldn't beat our expense any more, however I don't know how the Polish justice system works with regard to parole, maybe the UK system would be better in that respect (I would hate to think that the bar might be set lower in Poland and they might be released there after 30 years whereas the UK would keep them jailed)

edam I think there was more than 1 sibling in the Baby P case as well. There was a 2 yr old who was raped, so she was hardly well-treated, but I'm sure there were reports that Baby P's mother had more than 2 children in the house, and if so it would seem that the others weren't abused in the way that Peter was. Everything was highly anonymised though, to protect the remaining siblings, so I can't remember the details.

be at ...sorry...

timtam23 thanks for responding. Yes, in some ways it would be better for them to serve the sentence in their homeland, but not if it meant them being released after 30 years. I personally feel prison is too good for them. It's a luxury, really IMO...

"There was a 2 yr old who was raped" - shocking. F*ing animals.

not always that simple for teachers, plus that the official channels for complaints and safeguarding move incredibly slowly.

The people who commit these crimes are devious and manipulative. For example, Daniel had only been at his school for six months - these kinds of people often move around a lot because they know that this way it takes time for information to follow them and so they go under the radar. They know how long procedures take to get moving, even when schools follow the correct ones (which it sounds as though Daniel's school did in this case).

What I'm trying to say is that these dreadful situations aren't as black and white as they're seen in hindsight. The teachers did notice something was wrong. They did report and pass on information. But six months is not a long time to get wheels in motion, especially when there are school holidays to content with, and abusive parents know how to play the system. Even if SS had intervened he wouldn't necessarily have been removed from his home. I'm not trying to make excuses as more may come to light, but the system we have at the moment means that these terrible things will continue to happen. In the end though, the people with responsibility for Daniel's death were the two people who killed Daniel.

www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/change-the-law-to-better-protect-vulnerable-children-like-daniel-pelka

PLEASE SIGN this petition to change the law for Daniel Pelka. The aim is to make it a legal obligation for adults in responsible positions to help children who are clearly in distress, as it is in many other countries.

2,500 signatures in three days, 10,000 and it goes to Downing Street.

I can't stop crying about Daniel. I read the news last Thursday and now can't get the pain and suffering out my head and I am crying all the time. Every time I pick up my 17 month old, I imagine how that poor soul was never given any love and left to die by himself. Every time I eat I think of his starvation and confusion at why he was not allowed food. He must have been so lonely and desperate at the cruelty inflicted. It's killing me inside.

I began to think I was going mad, grieving for a boy I never knew, but it appears that I am not the only one severely affected by this story. I hope in time the pain fades for everyone, but we never forget what happened and steps are taken so that it never happens again

The only comfort is that for once the justice system worked and the monsters were given life. I hope they have to live in fear every day just like Daniel did. The photo of him is burnt on my mind.

This is one news story I am never going to forget. Does anyone know if a fund or charity is being set up in his memory? It's a small comfort but I feel I need to be doing something or take some sort of action to lessen the grief I am feeling.

Considering the horrendous crime, I'm surprised the thread has more or less ground to a halt. It seems to be old news

I would watch out giving money to a charity in his name. Whats to say that the extended family of these two (who seem to largely quite ambilivant about what has happened) dont start to try and get their greedy mitts on it claiming they are 'desperately trying to rebuild their lives' and need 'support'.

Sorry, but I was reading about the Ian Tomlinson case. The compensation has been paid to the 'family' but apparently he hadnt seen some of them for years. I always get uncomfortable about paying money when something has gone wrong, of course it should be payable when someone has become disabled as a result of say a mistake by the hospital when they are born but giving money to 'family' when someone has died isnt always the answer.

I think compensation for the unlawful killing of Ian Tomlinson, by a bully and a thug who had previously been sacked for aggression, is the least the Met could do. It puts down a marker and tells the bosses that they can't get away with this shit. Although I notice the Met announcement doesn't say anything about re-training officers who work on demonstrations, so there's no guarantee it won't happen again.

am questioning why tax payers money is going into the pockets of people who havent seen Ian for years and who seem to be benefiting from his death. Yes, if we have to go down the compensation route then perhaps to a charity?

must say I do agree with you handcream. I won't be donating money to the justgiving page in Daniel's name mainly because I've no guarantee where the money would be going to, or who, precisely.

Irn, the thread has been going since the fourth of June so it has been discussed for quite some time. Quite a few people only became aware of the story when the conviction was secured last week.

I also believe that for a lot of people, Daniel will always stay with them. I don't think I will ever forget his lovely little face and one day I'll make a call, or do something positive to honour him and his memory. It's all any of us can do for him now.

I would hate to go the way of Japan where you can actually give money to the relatives of the people who you have done wrong to to get a reduced sentence. Its horrible.

mrshaha it's a shocking case isn't it and has touched so many people. I have been really upset by it too, my eldest is the same age as Daniel & his school uniform is the same colours so I was getting a bit emotionally overinvolved and had to stop reading the news reports at one point because I was thinking about it too much.

I agree with being wary of the justgiving sites etc as you can't guarantee who is taking the money. A recognised child welfare charity is a safer bet even if it isn't specific to Daniel's memory - maybe there is something in the Coventry area where he lived?

I read that his school are planning a memorial garden, also the investigating police team seemed hugely affected by the case and the police spokesperson said that they had photos of him all over their office and would never ever forget him, maybe they will do something in his memory. I don't work directly with children but do have to keep up to date with child safeguarding training so maybe one day thanks to Daniel's sad case I'll be more aware of child abuse and will be able to make that call to help another child.

mrshaha I've been exactly the same, you're not going mad, you're just compassionate. I haven't been able to stop thinking about him, and inevitably end up sobbing. I'll never forget him and feel so futile/frustrated/angry at how this could have happened. I'm desperately clinging to the notion that there are more good people in the world than bad, doing their small bit but we should all do more. I know I could. I won't be donating unless it's to a registered charity as Timtam23 has mentioned. It's also seriously made me consider fostering as some point in the future.