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Does this make Gwyneth a hypocrite?

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emkana · 14/05/2006 20:21

All vegan and hippy-dippy on the one hand,
but on the other hand employing a maternity nurse who advocates leaving a less than six-week-old baby to cry for 20 minutes...

\link{http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1774405,00.html\hmmm}

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arfy · 15/05/2006 10:19

was he smelly Enid?
I always think he looks like he smells of wet dog

bunny3 · 15/05/2006 10:21

looks like he wears dirty underpants to me

Pruni · 15/05/2006 10:21

I was about to post the same thing about the baby not having any real concept of routing and anticipating what is coming next but, as usual, that copy-cat HC got there before me.

PMSL at a one-month-old having any idea of anything except "Warm" "squashy" "milky" "mmm can't move my arms"

Angeliz · 15/05/2006 10:22

The phrase 'healkthy discipline' in the article really bugs me. You CANNOT discipline a bay for the love of God!
Also 'It may well be the most sensible book ever written on bringing up a baby', says who???

Sad sad state of affairs we're all in if we need to follow that advice rather than our own instincts.

speedymama · 15/05/2006 11:00

It will be interesting to see what Apple and Moses will be like as teenagers. I can't help thinking that their smug parents are going to be in for a shockGrin.

Elf1981 · 15/05/2006 19:22

recent copy of closer... "she was seen dressed all in black, wearing sunglasses probably to hide the dark circles from lack of sleep"... or words to that effect!

MadamePlatypus · 16/05/2006 13:00

The phrase that annoyed me was "If you make them the kingpin, you'll be storing up trouble for yourself".

I hate the implication that by not following the instructions in the book exactly you are setting your child up for future failure. It all buys into this theory that we can completely control how our children will turn out, and that any failure is down to mothers.

Most people believe this untill they have their second child...

EmmyLou · 16/05/2006 14:17

Lol at all the posts! What's the chance that ignoring babies crying will damage US if we surpress the instinct to go pick 'em up? Just a thought...
I think these books and methods exploit the vulnerabilities of new parents and supress their instincts. You can always get Dr Tanya to fix any problems later. Parenting is a minefield of smugness at the best of times let alone bloody skinny bloody rich people doing it! Angry

alex8 · 16/05/2006 17:09

I read a hideous column in the Telegraph today (I have to say I didn't buy it, is was the only paper left in the cafe) saying how this new book will be the best ever. I only started reading it as I thought she would slag it off. I was momentarliy forgetting what paper I was reading and the whole spoil the child by picking it up guff was right up their street

\link{http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2006/05/16/ftrachel16.xml\annoyingrubbish}

alex8 · 16/05/2006 17:10

also what is this whole cupa soup stuff. What child has ever begged for one? Surely it would make sense if it was sweets or crisps or coke?

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emkana · 16/05/2006 17:17

I am now even more put off by the book.

It sounds absolutely bleeding terrible, and I hate hate hate the thought that lots of parents will buy it and follow the advice.

let the "screamers" have "a good shout", ey?

Disgusting, IMHO. Angry
Poor babies. Sad

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satine · 16/05/2006 17:29

Blimey, now that GF is off limits, lucky for you girls that someone else has come to take her place. What on earth would you have done with all those pitchforks otherwise, eh?

Personally I think co-sleeping and carrying your baby round with you constantly is madness, and people who inflict vegan diets on babies are cruel, but if some author has written a book espousing either ethos, good for them.

Controlled crying does not automatically equal child abuse, as some of you seem to be suggesting.

sunchowder · 16/05/2006 17:31

hIJACK Satine...How are you feeling?

alex8 · 16/05/2006 17:34

I don't think anyone suggested that. Most people/book that talk about controlled crying is usually only advocate it at 6 months. They are talking about a baby of a few weeks.

satine · 16/05/2006 17:36

Hi Sunchowder - going through a good phase, currently! V nice of you to ask, that means a lot.

mummylovesus · 16/05/2006 17:37

Rachel Waddilove was on GMTV this morning talking about her routine, I thought there would have been a post about it by now!!

sugarfree · 16/05/2006 17:39

Can anyone enlighten me as to why Chris Martin always seems to have squares of black marker pen on his hands when I see him on tv?
(not something I make a habit of doing,can't stand that droning dirge noise they make)
\link{http://www.oxfam.org.uk/generationwhy/glastonbury_blog/\See the self-important one and his hand here.5th picture down.What's that all about then?}

alex8 · 16/05/2006 17:41

I thought he used to have fair trade slogans. Maybe thats the fair trade logo?

Probably now he has "no cup-soup" and "healthy discipline for a baby"

sugarfree · 16/05/2006 17:43

It just makes me think "Get a real tattoo,T**t!"

Piffle · 16/05/2006 17:44

its the equals signs for make trade fair

snafu · 16/05/2006 17:46

Or the 'Remember to wake Gwynnie up at 6.32 am precisely so she can express' sign (whoops, sorry, wrong guru...)

mythumbelinas · 16/05/2006 17:46

i don't really know what the fuss is about .. seems to make sense to me .. quite similar to things i have done
if i knew dds had clean nappy, wasn't hungry etc .. when they cried i didn't see them straight away ..
when i was breastfeeding i fed on demand, but onto formula i kept set times
i never craddled them to sleep, and by 6 weeks they both were sleeping long hours at night

EmmyLou · 16/05/2006 18:25

Shouldn't we all do what we feel comfortable with? (within reason and so long as its legal) It is hard to take when you hear rigid systems being placed upon such very young babies - we all let them cry to some extent (on the loo, putting the washing on, seeing to another child, in the car etc etc) but not with such premeditation or disregard to the natural ebb and flow of daily life. Having said that, I am a bit of a stickler for routine when they're young (and older) but not sure how much thats for my benefit too Smile. What rubs people up seems to be something to do with the difference between a routine and a system...?

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emkana · 16/05/2006 19:53

I do have strong opinions on this and I do feel sorry for tiny babies who are left to cry at such a young age.

Of course everybody has a right to deal with their babies how they choose (within limits, naturally), but if we were all to come on MN just to post "You do what you think is best", then what is the point of a discussion board anyway?

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EmmyLou · 16/05/2006 21:07

Guess i did sound a bit woosy then! What I mean is you should do something because you want to/feel it is right and not because you feel pressured because someone (in Gwynnies case, someone you pay) is telling you to. Can't understand how they have such strong opinions on various issues why they let someone tell them how to bring up their tiny baby. Nothing makes me more opinionated and protective than having a tiny baby. Christ - most fathers' opinions don't even get a look in at this stage let alone a relative stranger.

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