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Perv who raped tiny baby to get longer sentence....

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1Baby1Bump · 03/05/2006 17:52

Have just seen on MSN that the perv who raped the 14 week old baby is to have his sentence reviewed and made longer.
I am really pleased, although there should only be one sentence dished out but we are not in the USA unfortunately.

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bundle · 03/05/2006 17:54

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expatinscotland · 03/05/2006 17:55

He is a repeat offender who has raped at least one other female. Unfortunately, there's no life w/o the possibility of parole sentence in the UK, b/c a person like this is best NEVER released into society again. His actions - over and over - have proven he's a danger to others.

hulababy · 03/05/2006 18:01

In this case pleading guilty should have had no bearing on their sentences, and they should both have got the maximum available. No doubt they only pleased guilty because their was so much evidence against them, including the photographs.

DominiConnor · 04/05/2006 23:42

I don't think the judge was particularly at fault here. This is in line with other cases, and if he had given a longer sentence would probably have been cut at appeal.

The problem is the system.
Most offenders can apply for parole after 50% of their sentence. This is wrong.
The fact that 12 years as a base sentence for rape is above average is wrong.

There is a lot of righteous indignation about "foreign" criminals not being deported.
Yet the vast majority of crime in this country is committed by British people who have been previously been detected as having offended.

Why, precisely were these people ever going to be let out ?
At what age would you think them harmless ?

What is an "acceptable risk" that they re-offend in such a terrible manner ?

The bad guys in this are many. The Prison Officers Association come top. They want parole because it helps them manager inmates. Both large political parties when in government have increased parole to save money.
Guardian reading social worker types like the idea that everyone can be reformed, and don't seem to care about the victims of repeat crime because most live away from the worst affect areas.

Dail Mail readers have the ear of both parties and thus the pathetically underfunded efforts at rehabilitation do almost no good, since they want them "to pay for their crimes".
The single most common factor for being a violent criminal is not being an aylumn seeker or foreign, but being illiterate. Drugs rehabilitaton is at a pathtically low level as well.

SparklyGothKat · 04/05/2006 23:45

I knew that it was being review by the most senior judge in the country, it was reported in the local \link{http://www.herts24.co.uk/search/story.aspx?brand=WHTOnline&category=News&itemid=WEED29%20Mar%202006%2008:37:04:227&tBrand=WHTOnline&tCategory=search\paper} in march. I am glad its been reviewed now and they will be inside for longer

misdee · 04/05/2006 23:50

DC, errrr ??

singledad · 05/05/2006 00:19

daresay the only logical conclusion in many cases is the death penalty. whether an offender has committed rape or murder, if a person remains a threat they should never be released and it doesnt appear to serve any purpose to keep such people alive.

Tortington · 05/05/2006 00:28

i like the idea that people can beome better people.

Tortington · 05/05/2006 00:28

i'm tired - you know what i mean

singledad · 05/05/2006 00:30

well yeah - so do i, but not at any cost, and far too many reoffend without remorse - now that's taking the piss

suzywong · 05/05/2006 02:39

I very much doubt this offender will leave prison in anything other than a wooden box. The crime is so repellent and infamous.

Or am I being romantic in a Shawshank kind of way, do cons dish out prison yard justice?

Tortington · 05/05/2006 08:18

yes they do - he will be kept in isolation, hospital wing or put together with other pervs.

beetroot · 05/05/2006 09:03

is the baby alive still?

beetroot · 05/05/2006 09:07

My question has no bearing on how long I think this man should be put away for..Life and it should mean life in this instant. IMO..

But had not heard what had happened to the baby..can a baby survive this sort of thing?

dublindee · 05/05/2006 09:10

It totally sickens me to think someone could do that to anyone but esp a tiny baby - and then take pictures of it.

SICK.

suzywong · 05/05/2006 09:20

that's a shame, I was hoping for him to be let out in the exercise yard while the staff have a game of poker for a couple of hours.
Really.
Just pleased it isn't my taxes that are paying for his stay AHMP.

expatinscotland · 05/05/2006 09:27

The baby survived. However, when babies are raped at this age there can be damage, as their vaginas are still developing. It's possible she may need reconstructive surgery and have lasting damage that may impair her ability to have children and/or her ability to have normal sexual relations later in life.

There was a baby raped at 6 months by her father in Texas who needed - and is still having - extensive surgeries to repair the damage, but fortunately she has received excellent care and should be able to enjoy normal sexual relations and have children later on.

I have a 5 month old and cannot IMAGINE victimising ANY child is such a fashion.

This bastard makes me sick.

He is a repeat offender who should never be allowed out of prison.

beetroot · 05/05/2006 09:31

Thanks expat.

Why does this happen? Why would a man and a woman do this sort of thing?

pinkmagic1 · 05/05/2006 09:44

They should bring back the death penalty for people like this and at the very least both of them should be locked away and NEVER released.

arfy · 05/05/2006 09:54

I started the thread that got people to write to/email the Attorney General about this and I ranted extensively on there about how I was against the death penalty but that in some cases life shoule mean life, and definitely in this one. He's blatantly going to do it again, I don't see how he can ever be released. There should be a way of giving a life sentence with no chance of parole.

there's no doubt the email/letter campaign was a major part in having the minimun time recommendation reviewed. However, this hasn't actually been changed yet, it's just up for appeal/review and a recommendation has been made. Let's hope it is changed, but it hasn't happened yet.

DC, do agree the system is also some of the problem, but really have no idea what all the asylum seeker/Daily Mail talk was about in this context.

Would also like to say that I am NOT asking for people to be put away for ever for every single crime, but in this one, I think it's the only answer as it is just so shocking and abhorrent, and reoffending is so likely. I was very pleased to find out that we have an organised and effective way to object to sentencing via lobbying the Attorney General, and that was the point of my original thread. Please do not associate ME with the Daily Mail!

expatinscotland · 05/05/2006 09:54

I hope I never understand why someone would do this to a baby.

Paedos are NOT insane, they are twisted perverted sociopaths who are manipulative liars and a serious threat to society.

This crime needs to be punished a lot more seriously than it is now.

From what I gather, they have a very high rate of re-offending if released and attempts to reform them have not on the whole been very successful.

Some say it's not fair to not give them another chance at living in society, etc.

But is it really fair to allow such persons to inflict such damage on our children? Or to have the opportunity to do so again?

People need to understand this can ruin the lives of the victims and those who love them. It can even kill them if they are driven to suicide by the abuse they suffer.

To me at least, one of our top duties as a society is to protect the vulnerable, particularly children, at all costs. Both here and abroad.

suzywong · 05/05/2006 10:06

hear hear expat

CaptainDippy · 05/05/2006 10:06

That is utterly depraved. I'm just speechless. These vile people should never see the light of day again.

SparklyGothKat · 05/05/2006 10:15

I know more about this case than I should, as it was local news, In this case he should be inside for Life, and in life I mean until he dies.

blueshoes · 05/05/2006 10:46

SGK, so do you know how the baby is doing? Poor mite