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Perv who raped tiny baby to get longer sentence....

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1Baby1Bump · 03/05/2006 17:52

Have just seen on MSN that the perv who raped the 14 week old baby is to have his sentence reviewed and made longer.
I am really pleased, although there should only be one sentence dished out but we are not in the USA unfortunately.

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suzywong · 05/05/2006 14:29

what does that mean? the lags got to him?

Beauregard · 05/05/2006 14:29
Sad This makes me bloody sick . AngryAngryAngry Vicious bastards the pair of them ,and i hope they get whats due to them.
SparklyGothKat · 05/05/2006 14:30

the other prisoners got to him, they have do something to him.

SparklyGothKat · 05/05/2006 14:31

done something

nailpolish · 05/05/2006 14:31

i cant understand when two people work together like that. how do they raise the issue? how do they know each other are like this?

'parp' because i dont want to think about it

the poor babies mother Sad

donnie · 05/05/2006 14:33

I agree that this twisted sick pervert should remain behind bars until he dies. End of. I don't believe in the death penalty but some people are too grotesque for words and must be locked up for ever.The mentality of someone who perpetrates a crime such as this is beyond normal people- it sounds awful but I sort of hope he is punished by other prisoners, which it seems he will be.

nailpolish · 05/05/2006 14:35

how will the poor mother tell her daughter what happened to her when she was 12 weeks old

i cant even imagine

SparklyGothKat · 05/05/2006 14:35

the other prisoners have got to him already, he is now on a segugation (sp??) wing. I think they should have let the other prisoners just do their worse

SparklyGothKat · 05/05/2006 14:36

I know, that will mess up her life, poor baby. :(

DominiConnor · 05/05/2006 14:37

Argy may be right, but I don't know how she can know that I'm wrong. I did say that I may be wrong, I think we should try it. If I'm wrong there's no harm done.
The current setup does not work, and looking at other countries, there is no obvious better model to copy.
I agree about the correlation between "cruel and unusual" punishment and poor human rights. But that is not the same as cause and effect. I would give these people fair trials, by jury and appropriate legal aid. Then make the rest of their lives a misery.
I'm a classical liberal, not a modern one. Thus I think think the state's primary duty is to protect it's citizens, and if that means hurting the bad guys, then so be it.
I would of course prefer some sort of "cure", but there ain't one.

anyhow, think I'm a bit on my own here
Actually the media are 100% behind you, as is the bulk of the Labour and LibDem parties.

expatinscotland · 05/05/2006 14:37

gawd that just tears me up. i think of my 5 month old after her bath, how she's a giggly, naked baby. she smiles and laughs, b/c she knows she's safe.

cannot IMAGINE harming a baby at all.

honestly, this person has offended in the past and simply cannot be allowed to do this to anymore children.

SparklyGothKat · 05/05/2006 14:38

IIRC he was also done for raping a 14 year old at the same court case.

nailpolish · 05/05/2006 14:39

try not to think too much about it expat

expatinscotland · 05/05/2006 14:42

yep. the girl is now of legal age, and has bravely come forward to tell her story and push for a longer sentence for her rapist.

arfy · 05/05/2006 14:46

I mean 'a bit on my own' on this thread, not in life or politics....

It would be nice to make their lives a misery - but if cruel and unusual punishments (and the death penalty) 'worked', surely there would be no crime, no child abuse, no rape no murder etc. in countries where these punishments exist? Which we all know is very, very far from the truth. That's why I feel I can say it doesn't work (which is what I was saying, rather than I know that you are wrong - it's really not personal), along with many deeper philosophical & moral arguments that I'm just not articulate enough to go into properly.

arfy · 05/05/2006 14:49

anyhow let's be glad that we managed to do something i.e. help get the case reviewed - hopefully something good will come out of it in the end.

it is of course beyond horrible imagining how someone could do this. And off course, emotionally I would love to see this bastard strung up and tortured, but we can't sanction this as part of our legal system. I can't say I wouldn't turn a blind eye to treatment from others 'inside' though - I would be positively glad to hear that others are meting out what I believe is the normal treatment for paedophiles.

donnie · 05/05/2006 14:51

I know what you mean arfy - it seems to me that no punishment is a real deterrent to certain people - they will commit awful crimes because they want to and because they don't think they will be caught , or perhaps they don't even care if they are caught, they still can't control their impulses to commit the offences. This seems to be true of sex offenders who are notoriously incapable of reform and also remorse.

Hollyboo · 05/05/2006 15:14

I read somewhere that one in four people (with this 'sickness') who look at child porn will go on to abuse. That's very scary. He shouldn't be released, ever. Even if he showed remorse or was rehabilitated. I know I wouldn't want him living beside me.

dublindee · 05/05/2006 19:29

I honestly do think life should mean LIFE.

Too many criminals are allowed back out into society to re-offend. Even if they don't re-offend I think it's unfair they have a chance to have a normal life when their actions took away that possibilty for their victims and families.

Jamie Bolger's killers are a prime example of this.
Sad thing is we don't know who is living in our neighbourhood if the authorities are willing to protect murderers etc in that way.

Scary thought.

DominiConnor · 05/05/2006 20:25

It would be nice to make their lives a misery
Good enough reason all by itself.

but if cruel and unusual punishments (and the death penalty) 'worked', surely there would be no crime, no child abuse, no rape no murder etc.

I don't think you can eliminate such crimes. I offer a plausible method for cheaply reducing the numbers. Note that I also am dead keen on rehabilitation. I'd put TV's back in cells, (after the Daily Mail had them taken out). But I'd control the content. Lots of adult literacy, car maintenance, teach yourself plumbing that sort of thing. If you wanted porn or football you'd have to get good marks in class. Hotels have such controlled TV systems, buy one of them.

No civilised country has an effective death penatly. In America it's rare to be executed even if you're black, and it takes so long to go through the process, that people are claiming it's cruel to execute pensioners. Even when people do get executed, they are killed in a humane manner, and recently a supreme court ruled that they had to make lethal in injeciton nicer.
Even when Britain had it, execution was pretty rare.

In any case, I'm against the death penalty, It's not cruel enough, and the American experience is that it works out many times more expensive.
Most murders are in any case "heat of the moment" to some degree. Very few are planned, and of course unlike sex offences you only get to do it to a given person once.
It is not a coincidence that a large % of the murderers executed by the USA are mentally damaged.

For a deterrent to work, the person doing it must be scared. If they don't think they will be caught, or if they observe that the full punishment is unlikely then they give it much weight.

The murder rate in Britain dropped like a stone once there was a network of police forces. We can do a lot more to improve conviction rates, like investing in better forensics. Thus increasing the chances of being caught part of the equation.

Child abuse in families is not heat of the moment, and it seems to be the case that abusers do this many times. Given the absence of any idea on how to improve how often they are caught, the only lever I can see is very much more severe punishment. Braning on the forehead comes to mind, as not very painful, but allows for peados to be cared for in the community.
Note that most such "care" places are put in council estates, which have an on average higher % of kids per house. As noted in an earlier thread, local authorities are essentially bullies and see them as easier people to pick on.

in countries where these punishments exist? Which we all know is very, very far from the truth. That's why I feel I can say it doesn't work (which is what I was saying, rather than I know that you are wrong - it's really not personal), along with many deeper philosophical & moral arguments that I'm just not articulate enough to go into properly.

tuppenceworth · 05/05/2006 20:50

It seems that there have been several threads on MN over the last few weeks where we are quite rightly outraged at disproportionately lenient sentences for everything from burglary and drink driving to murder and rape. I'm firmly in the anti-death penalty camp but I think there is a desperate need by people who live within the law to see those who do not live within the law punished appropriately. Hard labour is one example of an avenue of punishments that I for one would support, especially for persistent offenders. I'd like to think that when someone is sent to prison for a serious crime, i.e. murder, rape, arson, armed robbery, etc, they aren't just sitting around doing nothing but working up a sweat with hard, back breaking, pointless work, like breaking rocks.

I know there is a serious drug problem within our prisons and I know that a high percentage of inmates are illiterate and innumerate, but there are programmes within the prison system that address these issues so that prisoners have acquired some skills to equip them to ‘go straight’ when they are released. The problem comes when this is all that we on the outside see – the state-of-the-art gyms, the free Open University degrees, food that is more nutritious than the slop we serve to our kids in school. We need to see that those who break the law are being punished, not just rehabilitated.

UCM · 05/05/2006 21:37

MTW, I agree with what you have said, make prison a deterrent not something you shrug and get on with cos you know you will get out soon.

UCM · 05/05/2006 21:44

I don't know how it would ever work though. The screws turn a blind eye to lots of things in prison because it keeps the prisoners docile.

Putting a smoke alarm system in there would be a killer for starters and making prisons non smoking would be a start. Imagine the frustration - I smoke and to be deprived of this whilst locked up would be awful.

It sounds like a small move, but making the food very basic as well would be good. If you don't like whats on the menu, you don't eat. Don't offer an option, give the same menu every day. Porridge for breakfast, Cheese sandwich for lunch and shepherds pie for dinner. Imagine eating that every day for a year........Yuk.

There are things that can be done, but someone up there lacks the willpower to do it.

UCM · 05/05/2006 21:46

Oh and with the smoke alarm system, make sure that every time someone smokes, it goes on really loudly for an hour. Legal torture

HappyMumof2 · 06/05/2006 09:43

SparklyGothKat - how do you know she won't be able to have kids? That's really Sad Is if they hadn't done enough damage to her, poor little girl.

She's exactly the same age as my dd.

Btw, I've also heard from someone that he's having a hell of time inside Grin

Hope she is too, evil bitch Angry