hunting is illegal so why do it?

[VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry]

i ride. (well, ive just started but....)
i abhor hunting. hate hate hate the cruelty of it. i think that the RSPCA did the right thing here in this prosecution. why do people of a certain class believe they are above the law?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-camerons-local-hunt-fined-26300-for-illegal-fox-hunting-8422915.html

and we spend money (rightly imo) doing this www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-20739585

mad world. why do people feel the need to kill animals in the most inhunane ways possible?

[TheOriginalLadyFT]

You think? Well, we'll see

Night night, been fun running round in circles as usual on the hunting debate

[Ponyofdoom]

Tufty you are running short of arguments if you have to attack a coat colour :) Most followers wear black or ratcatcher anyway, I have never worn 'red.'
Itsall you have muddled drag with trail hunting. Nothing wrong with either, but they are different sports. Neither have the important pest control service for farmers.
Tetley 'terriers forced underground' haha I spend my life trying to stop my terrier going down holes and getting into fights, she loves it because she is a terrier, that is the whole point of being a terrier!

[TuftyFinch]

But I don't live in London. Despite what you seem to think, you don't have first dibs on the countryside. I live in a very rural area, there's mud and everything. Does my opinion mean more?
If I canvassed the population of this village c500, 85% would be anti fox hunting. Including farmers.

[tetleymel]

You are going out with the intention to hunt a fox with a pack of hounds? Then yes, you are breaking the law.

[Ponyofdoom]

Yeah I am logging off too, cheers for the debate it was fun :)

[LRDtheFeministDude]

pony, does it not occur to you - no one cares what the distinctions are between the sports you mention. It is monumentally boring. Nor does anyone care what you wear (except for thinking it's obviously a sport for the rich if it matters so much!).

People just care that their countryside isn't overrun by braying hooray henrys who've no idea of the realities.

[VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry]

im still waiting.....

i would like any of the pro hunters to show me where i said anything personal such as those who hunt are - and i quote - *psychos or weirdos.....

but insults were levelled at me. i believe i hold the moral high ground on that score. i have not needed to resort to personal attacks about profession or self.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

I said psychopath...

Psychopathy is a personality disorder that has been variously characterized by shallow emotions (including reduced fear, a lack of empathy , and stress tolerance), coldheartedness , egocentricity , superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, impulsivity, criminality , antisocial behavior, a lack of remorse, and a parasitic lifestyle.

If the cap fits...

[VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry]

funny how no one has been able to quote where i said that then.

[VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry]

if the best you can do is tell me i should be fitting someone up then fabulous. You showed your true colours there theoriginal how very ironic your name is.

[tetleymel]

As these hunters seem unable to understand the law, let me clarify.

Putting more than two hounds into woodland, gorse or a cover, where they are likely to pick up a scent is illegal.

The hounds running ahead of the hunter / field, and are baying/in cry, this is a sign that a scent has been picked up, and that the hounds are in pursuit of something.

Baying or hounds in cry must be called off immediately, by the use of a horn, a whip or by a voice calls.

Flushing out with hounds

No more than two dogs can be used in flushing of wild mammals to guns.

No dogs can chase or kill a wild mammal.

Reasonable steps must be taken to ensure that the animal is shot dead by a competent person, and reasonable steps taken to ensure that the dog doing the stalking/flushing is kept under close control to allow the animal to be shot.

Dogs must not be used below ground for flushing out, unless

A - this is done to prevent or reduced serious damage to game birds

B - the person doing the flushing has on him written evidence that the land belongs to him or that he has been given permission to use the land for that purpose by the occupier of the land.

In the case of flushing below ground for this purpose only one dog may be used and reasonable steps must be taken to ensure that the animal is flushed out as soon as it is found, and shot by a competent person as soon as it is flushed out. Reasonable steps must be taken to keep the dog under control to ensure that the animal is shot.

A Drag or trail hunt that isn?t

A trail or a drag being put though crop, woodland, near roads, peoples houses or near railway lines.

Blocked earths or badger setts. It is actually illegal to interfere with a badger sett under the Protection of badger?s act 1992. Hunters will often block fox earths so foxes cannot escape from hounds, this should be filmed and reported to us.

Hounds going off the trail or drag and not being immediately put back on track either by the horn, whip, or voice calls.



It is still legal to hunt rats and rabbits with dogs. Mink hunts have stated they are to hunt rabbits and rats instead of mink in the summer and some harrier packs have said they are to hunt rabbits. The hunter must still have permission from the occupier; if the land is not occupied then they need it from the landowner.


Another important point is that Hunts can be prosecuted under the Protection of Animals Act 1911 and the Wild Mammals Act 1996. So for example if you had evidence of a live fox being torn apart by foxes a prosecution could be brought under PAA 1911 for causing unnecessary cruelty.

[VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry]

i hope i become wildlife officer. i really do.

[RowanTheRedNosedMumsnet]

Hello

We appreciate that feelings are running high here, but please try to attack ideas, not posters - and remember our Talk Guidelines.

Thanks.

[tetleymel]

:)

[LRDtheFeministDude]

Thanks rowan.

[VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry]

my shoulders are fairly broad....ive heard worse levelled at me in town on a saturday night.....

[Loshad]

Hunts need to wake up to reality. Lie has changed. In my youth i spent every saturday, and as many wednesdays as i could skive off school hunting.
I see the local hunt and i cringe these days. They are arrogant beyond belief and appear to be unaware of the changes in society.
I cannot emphasise my hunting connections enough, my uncle was field master, another aunt was secretary for more then 20 years.
The local hunt come charging around the area as if they own it, they are rude, arrogant and unpleasant.Recently i was out hacking, no indication from the local hunt that they were in the area. A hunted (illegally) fox ran right past me, followed by the hounds and hunt staff, bellowing at me to get out of the way. I was on on a young TB event horse on a public bridleway
If the local hunt are alienting folk like me then they are on a hiding to nothing, life has has changed, hunts need to adapt and rude comments like they don't have time to notify small landowners stick in ones craw. They managed to upset at least 4 groups of horsey folk that saturday, including the loasl feed merchants who threatened to withdraw their trade discount!

[ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid]

The trouble with the "Countryside Alliance" and their little chums us that they think everyone in the "countryside" is like them and is therefore pro hunting. And whenevidence is presented to them which shows they're wrong, they just discount the evidence.


What do they think of whaling? (also illegal) Because the Japanese offer strangely similar arguments to the ones you are using.

[Zwitterion]

I live in the country. I don't have a problem with killing animals per se.

I do have a massive problem though with arrogant, rude, entitled hunters and followers who put themselves before others, clearly get off on the thrill of the kill, disguise their bloodlust as pest control and believe they are above the law.

The RSPCA did the right thing. Hopefully this will send a clear message about what is and isn't acceptable. I respect the RSPCA more as a result. They have demonstrated real clout.

[Electricblanket]

Some of you live in totally vile communities. Our area is by far from perfect, the only animosity I have ever experience towards hunting is when some anti's were mini bused in from anther area to kick off at the boxing day meet the christmas that hunting laws were amended.

The cap certainly fit the psychopaths that day, they were back on their fun bus and heading home within minutes.

[lidlqueen]

oh yeh they do that. the uni sabs here (west wales) used to bus down to the Vale of Aylesbury (near London, lots of 'weekend hunters' - because, actually, if they had met a bunch of Welsh farmers on horseback, they would have shit themselves.

[lidlqueen]

and the funniest thing of all is that when they graduated, typically, they ended up working for ICI and the like. aww they cared so much for the little furry animals....

[ArielTheBahHumbugMermaid]

Your last post is stupid.

[lidlqueen]

no it is not, think about it.

[lidlqueen]

this is the kind of thing that goes on at ICI.