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If he says sorry he'll escape jail

29 replies

wannaBe1974 · 12/04/2006 09:34

Guidelines out today suggest that people in court on domestic violence charges could escape jail if they "show genuine remorse".

What a pile of cr*p.

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milward · 12/04/2006 09:36

so saying sorry makes ok then - what total rubbish.

Callisto · 12/04/2006 10:32

It is a disgrace.

expatinscotland · 12/04/2006 10:33

What a misogynistic proposal. Why am I not surprised?

Caligula · 12/04/2006 10:58

It really does send out the message that domestic violence isn't really a crime

Which is what lots of these men believe anyway.

Great message to give these neanderthals.

Marina · 12/04/2006 11:00

Just like cautions for some rapists, FFS. Papers and threads on here are full of men who say sorry and don't or can't mean that.
Law is an ass Angry
(did you see that Christian Blewitt's adoptive parents won their appeal this morning though caligula)

Caligula · 12/04/2006 11:10

NO!!! Oh good. Must go and look on BBC site.

Callisto · 12/04/2006 11:25

It is all down to money. Sickening.

Caligula · 12/04/2006 11:29

Who do we write to to complain?

Tortington · 13/04/2006 03:03

i can't believe this thread has so little response - i heard this on the radio today on the way to the station - then dh mentioned it when i picked him up. i was totally flabberghasted.

i wonder therefore if i beat my child to a pulp - yet show genuine remorse if thats ok?

am just wondering you see, becuase it seems to be ok for the stronger of the two sexes in a long term or marriage to beat the living shit out of the other

can i go beat up my SIL and say sorry - i mean is it the fact that its a sexual relationship that makes it different?

or is it long term relationship?

dya reckon i could just beat someone up in the street and say sorry - what is THIS LINE? WHAT IS THE LINE? i dont understand

is assault not assault? if i assault a child its asault, my sil - its assault if however i decide to beat my husband up until he is unconcious - i can say sorry and get away with it?

coppertop · 13/04/2006 08:26

And how exactly will anyone know if the abuser has "genuine remorse"? So many of these men are good at putting on an act in front of others - including their partner. It's usually how they manage to get away with it for so long. It's a bit bl**dy late to realise the so-called remorse wasn't genuine when the partner has been battered to death.

hulababy · 13/04/2006 08:35

Makes a mockery of the legal system if this goes ahead really. I believe in taking each crime individually and looking at circumstances, but it is just not right ever to just get away with saying sorry and that makes it all right. Ridiculous. Feels like a step backwards to days gone here.

harpsichordcarrier · 13/04/2006 08:37

it is a bloody disgrace and - frankly - seems like a cynical way of saving money. not only justifying community sentences for offenders (which are cheaper) but also justifying the police not taking these cases seriously.

ItalianJob · 13/04/2006 09:05

It's a disgrace. These men are experienced at mind control and manipulation.

edam · 13/04/2006 09:17

Exposes the insitutional sexism that runs through the courts. How DARE they? No wonder rape convictions are so low if this is the attitude our legal system has to women.

I really should go and find the contact details for the sentencing guidelines people and protest. And maybe the attorney general as well - s/he takes protests from members of the public against lenient sentences, maybe they could look at this too.

moyasmum · 13/04/2006 09:33

I am very much for remorse ,penitance and forgiveness as an abiding principle, but its my experience that a man caught out, will lie and lie, and put the blame everywhere else.
This is so fool hardy it does show how sexist and manipulative the system is . We should never accept rapists crocodile tears.

Tortington · 13/04/2006 11:33

mean c'mon, the fellas themselves often cry like a baby "don't leave me ....i'll never do it again ..."

so convincing infact that the women often dont

which i may add is completely beside the fcking point.

can i shove cocaine up my grannies arse without her permission?

then could i say - oh i'm sorry ...please be my granny....dont leave me granny...i wont cocaine arse shove again.

beansprout · 13/04/2006 11:37

You'll never see a man more sorry than when he has hit you and he thinks there may be some consequences to it.

What are they saying? It's ok to hit women if you say you are sorry? What about murder? Robbery? No? Oh, just hitting women that is ok then. Thought so..... Angry

desperateSCOUSEstrife · 13/04/2006 11:40

another govt funded cost cutting exercise hmmm

how many lives will be lost with this stupiditySad

edam · 13/04/2006 11:52

Actually the courts do say it's not that bad for a man to kill his wife/partner. Look at the sentences handed out to men who kill their wives. Often pathetic. And huge contrast to the way courts treat women who murder their husbands/partners. Premeditation/ provocation are interpreted in ways that benefit men and punish women disproportionately.

And it's juries too. Case in the Evening Standard the other day of a man who beat his wife almost to death with a baseball bat. Certainly intended to kill her because he then tried to cover up by writing a 'suicide' note from her, amongst other attempts to evade justice. The only reason she survived was because their 10yo daughter wondered into the bedroom while he was trying to kill his wife. He took the child out, giving her time to dial 999. He must have thought he'd left his wife for dead because of planting the supposed suicide note. Poor woman has been left with permanent disabilities. Yet the jury found him guilty of GBH, not attempted murder. WTF?

MillionDollarBaby · 13/04/2006 11:56

Haven't read all the responses and have been away for a couple of days but heard this on the radion yesterday and I'm thoroughly disgusted.. I will be writing to complain.

Would it be OK to batter the living shit out of a stranger in the street as long as you said sorry..hmmm, no it wouldn't! Fucking ridiculous!

MillionDollarBaby · 13/04/2006 11:59

sorry custardo I appear to have repeated you..

cocainegrannygotanUGLYbaby · 13/04/2006 12:48

hay baby - no probs we are of the same mind ( tis me the yellow one) we obviously have a fabulous vulcan mind meld thing going on

itcouldgoeitherway · 13/04/2006 12:55

this is terrible, just when people started to get their act together on tackling domestic abuse they set themselves back years by something like this.

red37 · 13/04/2006 12:59

What about women beating on men, is that going to be on the same level?

MillionDollarBaby · 13/04/2006 13:06

it's a free rein for anyone beating on anyone as long as you have some sort of relationship with them.. jesus before we know it Date Rape won't exist either.. ridiculous..

yes I know her, yes I slapped her around a bit, yes she said no.. but I am sorry I pinned her down and forced myself on her..

grrrr, ought to parp myself I think