How wicked of you, David Cameron.

[vivizone]

So we're going back to Victorian notions of the 'undeserving poor'. Time to re-open the workhouses.

How this man and his cronies are getting away with so much damage done to the ordinary man and woman, I do not know.

Help us all.

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/09/deserving-families-council-housing-priority

I've done a variety of voluntary work since I've been too ill to work full-time.

By chance, some of it's been directly for the local council. And some of it's been directly opposed to government policy.

Do we think volunteering at Citizen's Advice helping people fight benefits decisions will count as contributing to the community?

What about helping with appeals against school decisions? Employment tribunals against the council? Working with refugees? Campaigning against local hospital closures? Or Tescos?

Or will "contributing to the community" only be things on Dave's list of freebie libraries and parks and school volunteers?

There's too much scope for this to be used for political ends.

Voting Labour is the only way to keep the nasties out.

I'm on the fence what with being disabled and a Forces dependant.

It is high time something is done to address the amount of ex-Service Personell who are homeless in my opinion. When you are in the Forces you are moved around, a lot, it is difficult to put down roots, your DC change school, your spouse has to keep changing jobs etc. it is not always possible to buy a house, unfortunately, and up until now, we haven't been priority on Social Housing Lists. Infact when DH and I asked our SSAFFA rep about it, we were told that we were expected to either buy a house or go into private rent.

There shouldn't be one size fits all policy for things like housing. Every case should be looked at individually and assessed on it's own merits, IMVHO.

Yeah, I'm hysterical. I'm arguing this one like I usually do, and not just sitting here feeling resigned to my life becoming even shittier because I haven't worked hard enough to cure my epilepsy, or my fibromyalgia, or my RA. Because I haven't worked hard enough to cure my DC 's multiple and varied disabilities.

I'm beginning to give up the fight. What's the point, I'm screwed anyway.

I've got rent arrears that I'm paying off at £3 a week forever, because my ex wasn't paying the rent for a bit (without telling me) when he lived here. So I'm obviously not deserving.

Those of you that are unwilling to open your eyes to the very real fact that the disabled and Carer's will lose out over this are fucking lucky. Lucky not to be in the position where you need to worry about this.

Don't you think that if the disabled and Carers were classed as deserving, it would say so somewhere? It doesn't.

Whatever, just remember to count your blessings that it's not something you NEED to worry about.

Or will "contributing to the community" only be things on Dave's list of freebie libraries and parks and school volunteers?

That's an interesting point Parsing. Polices that mean people are forced to become limited in the charity work that they do could have a horrible impact on the charity sector, which is already picking up far too much of the slack from government.

Voting Labour is the only way to keep the nasties out

That is why we only every have two parties jostling for position. We have more choices. I've decided I'm not doing the whole labour vs Tories with a nod to the lib dems and will vote depending on who I believe in the most.

I hate the way Tories live in lala land and don't see those who are negatively impacted as real people. Just see them as scroungers or undeserving in some way. It's like they can't quite believe these kind of people exist. It is several kinds of fucked up. As for labour, well yes they want to help the less well off but love the idea of making money too much. And the lib dems? What do they stand for?!

I'm disabled. Don't have enough conts to get ESA, do get med care, high mobility DLA. Who knows for how long?

I work 2-3 days a week voluntarily for a charity. It costs me (travel costs to get there as I'm too disabled for buses) but I'd not ever give it up.

I hate this. I unexpectedly developed a very rare (30-50 diagnoses a year in uk) neurological condition this year. Before was a sahm. Before a secondary teacher. Was able to go back to my volunteer post that might actually become paid in Feb.

But I hate dc taking this off the disabled. Hey Dave, I'm part of your so called "big society" but I sense you just expect it, cos I'm sdisabled!

I also feel saddened that i voted for these mUppets!

I'll voTe for whoever gives me my child benefit back. ( if your reading labour)

I also feel that anyone could end up homeless, they are often victims of society. I'm so sad that we can treat people so badly.

And while we're at it, Outraged, who made you Queen of MN? You seem to have decided that nobody is allowed to talk about how benefit changes will affect Carers and the disabled, even if that particular benefit change will.

And calling someone who points out that it's just another way they feel shafted for something utterly beyond their control 'hysterical' is out of order, too.

I have just as much right to come on this thread and state how I feel, and my opinions, as you do, WITHOUT being called 'hysterical'.

Really Violet77? So if the BNP said it would you vote for them? Voters like you are a dream for parties like the Tories because it's easy to sell themselves!

I'm far too wary of the Tories after growing up in a single mum household under Thatcher. I'm now just as wary of labour after the wasted 13 years they had.

Fuck no, don't really consider them a party!

I'm thinking main party.

You seem to have decided that nobody is allowed to talk about how benefit changes will affect Carers and the disabled

No, I've been saying that personally I would prefer a chat about the issues raised in the article in the OP, because I thought that was the point of putting a link to an article in an OP.

To me, it sounds hysterical to hear someone say that their children will have to leave their schools because of a paper suggested to councils about priority housing for homeless people when they aren't homeless and are therefore not affected.

Didn't vote conservative either.....

So basically people who have direct experience of how this government is affecting the lives of individuals who are unable to help themselves even mentioning it with regard to further government policy are hysterical?

So we should be shafted by the government on current and future policy and roll over and be quiet about it because people don't want to think about it? Don't want to know?

Sorry but when I'm being fucked over I'll shout about it. Long and loud.

The reason it's pertinent is this government has made it clear in all its policy that the vulnerable are not their priority. This policy won't be any different.

Lib dems eh? Sorry about that!

It's not just the vulnerable, no one is their priority. Unless you are wealthy enough to benifit from the system your stuffed. That's how it works, and it would appear you actually have to be fairly well off.

Sorry, but as an historian, I've read and written plenty on workhouses. It is neither an insult to anyone that had been in a workhouse to mention them, they're dead anyway. Nor is it hysterical.
The article does not at any point state clearly who it prioritises and/or how. It implies, ergo it is reasonable to imply possible solutions.

More hysterical ranting here about why disabled people are worried.

I've got rent arrears that I'm paying off at £3 a week forever, because my ex wasn't paying the rent for a bit (without telling me)

What Couthy has written here is a good example of financial abuse.

My record would look shit too with all the HB fuckups.

I'm not sure what things have come to where homes have become something that are rationed with people deciding who is most worthy of not having to be homeless.

Outragedatthepriceoffreddos

Apologies if im wrong and confusing you with someone else, but dont you have a child with autism?

I do too and that is why im terrified for his future under this government, he will grow into a disabled adult and his future under condem doesn't look rosey, he will outlive me, who will stand up for him when im gone?

Im far from rich, at the moment I can't work due to lack of childcare for him. I fear desperately for his future.

Are you rich? or just burying your head in the sand?

I have a child with Aspergers, and while it comes with some issues, we are lucky that he is very likely to be able to work and support himself if he is well supported by his school and parents until he is a fully grown adult.

I'm by no means rich, but my ex and I can provide what our children need.

Oh how lucky for you then.

We're not so lucky.

Spare a thought.

Nah, that wasn't financial abuse. It was him just being a twatbag and neglecting to let me know to pay the rent from the TC's. he bought nicer food and told me he'd had a bonus.

After we split up, he admitted he just missed lamb chops and steak too much after 3 years of not being able to afford it. And he bought for all of us, not just himself.

So not financially abusive, just financially fucking incompetent!

(He was abusive in other ways, but not financially. He is just a twat with money.)

Which was why we didn't have joint accounts. Because at least then, I could cover the majority of things from my account, he only had to pay the rent and give me the money for the bills. He was still giving me the money for the other bills, but our rent had to be paid by DD, and I can't do DD's from my account.

He was missing nice food, and spent the rent money on steak for us all, and lb roasts and beef roasts. Because I didn't do roasts as they were out of budget.

TWAAAAAAAAT.

And he was working.