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Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

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MrsjREwing · 02/11/2012 11:53

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

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NigellasGuest · 06/11/2012 22:13

"These rings all join up. An investigator may start by looking at a home in north Wales but soon will be looking at a linked home in north London or Devon. The paedophiles protect each other and swap children, references, cover stories, venues and customers. Yet no one ever joins up the dots and says it is time we investigated them nationally." [Eileen Fairweather article linked to by crumpswife ^^

That is the heart of the matter, IMO.

edam · 06/11/2012 22:38

Yes - the current crop of investigations will just create another layer of obfuscation. Even if entirely well-intentioned - and I'm not convinced that is the case anyway. Given the history of police and judicial failures, it hardly seems sensible to ask more police officers and judges to take a look. Especially as some of the abusers are said, by the victims, to have been police officers and judges.

Very important point is that the Home Secretary chose to destroy CEOPs, the one arm of the police that has reliably investigated abuse and prosecuted abusers. She may not have been malevolent when she did it, but how can we trust the rest of the police force to do a decent job?

isupposeimabitofafraud · 06/11/2012 22:58

Whats the point in having all these inquiries that report all different things and don't hit the headlines as a result and don't have consistant conclusions, and some miss things that others don't?

We need an overall inquiry to draw all the strands of failure together, and point to common faults that reoccurred/are still reoccurring. Something to point out the patterns of failure.

I'm afraid I'm with Tom Watson when he said today that "the lesson of Hillsborough and hacking is that a narrowed down investigation is the basic building block of a cover-up."

MrsjREwing · 07/11/2012 00:08

The short term solution is to find a secure home for psychopaths.

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poachedeggs · 07/11/2012 07:17

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/a-nightmare-without-end-8290187.html

Good article and suitably mainstream.

Mrcrumpswife · 07/11/2012 10:05

poachedeggs Thats another really good article which goes to show that not all journalists can be tarred with the same brush as being dismissive to looking for the truth.

What i cant understand is how the media seemed to go in for hard political scandal stories constantly in the 80's/90's then all of a sudden it stopped.

Did something happen to prevent the reporting or did our politicians get cleanHmm We know that isnt true so what changed?

Xenia · 07/11/2012 10:22

One is reminded of the Jersey case too

www.channelonline.tv/channelonline_jerseynews/displayarticle.asp?id=492858

FrothyOM · 07/11/2012 14:12

This is so fucking depressing. I think the same as edam. It will just be another cover up. No justice and no changes to protect future generations of vulnerable children.

Tipsandshoots · 07/11/2012 14:19

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228474/My-uncle-Ernie-society-sex-scandal--lesson-courage.html#ixzz2BQHOIKgX

It's all be done before
1888 this has explained why people go on about the royal connection with the ripper. I never understood the allusion before

CFSKate · 07/11/2012 14:26

Sonia Poulton tweets

"Genuinely want to expose all establishment paedophilia. Need more corroboration for stories I already have. Can you help? Please contact me"

Tipsandshoots · 07/11/2012 14:35

postmanpatel.blogspot.co.uk/2008/02/all-he-seems-to-have-done-is-spanked.html?m=1

Cyril smith info
Who are rap? Apprently private eye have published this

Tipsandshoots · 07/11/2012 15:08

www.richardwebster.net/crusadeorwitchhunt.html

Heard this before?

Darkesteyes · 07/11/2012 15:45

Tips thats a very interesting link about Cleveland Street in 1889.

Im not normally a fan of celebrity trash mags but ive bought this weeks Grazia. They have interviewed an abuse survivor who was abused by an immediate family member.
When she finally found the courage to tell her parents her father slapped her across the face telling her she was bringing shame on the family by talking about it. She thought her mum would support her but her mother agreed with her father.
My parents have the same kind of attitudes and i got a real knot in the stomach while reading it.
"Asha" if you read this i am sorry for what youve been through and I BELIEVE YOU.

isupposeimabitofafraud · 07/11/2012 16:11

Mrcrumpswife Wed 07-Nov-12 10:05:15
What i cant understand is how the media seemed to go in for hard political scandal stories constantly in the 80's/90's then all of a sudden it stopped.

Did something happen to prevent the reporting or did our politicians get cleanhmm We know that isnt true so what changed?

So when DID phone hacking start?

Mrcrumpswife · 07/11/2012 16:40

I really hope this link is true

www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3593017.ece

Preview of the times updated this lunch time.

Reopening the investigation into HDLG.

Mrcrumpswife · 07/11/2012 16:41

It annoys me how you have to pay for the times online but i will search around and see if any of the other papers are reporting yet, to confirm.

Xenia · 07/11/2012 17:23

New inquiry into child abuse at Haut de la Garenne home in Jersey

Allegations that Jimmy Savile abused girls at a Jersey children?s home and that the island?s politicians interfered in police child abuse investigations will be examined by new inquiry.

The focus of the inquiry will be the notorious Haut de la Garenne children?s home, where Savile was a visitor.

The home was the subject of a police investigation started in 2007 but Graham Power, then the chief officer, was suspended after he complained of political interference.

Lenny Harper, the deputy chief officer who headed the abuse investigation, said last month that he had ?no reason to doubt? that Savile was among the visiting dignitaries who abused children at Haut de la Garenne.

He said Savile?s name came up during the investigation but there was not enough evidence to question him.

A number of former residents of Haut de la Garenne have already given lawyers accounts of abuse at the hands of the television star who is also linked to sexual abuse at a reform home for girls in Surrey, at several hospitals and on BBC premises.

The Jim?ll Fix It and Top of the Pops presenter took legal action against The Sun newspaper when it reported his link to Haut de la Garenne.

Jersey police took statements from from 192 victims, identifying 151 alleged abusers, during their three-year investigation.

Seven people were convicted of sex abuse, receiving jail sentences of up to 15 years, and police gathered evidence against 30 more who died before they could face trial.

The island?s government announced in March that it was setting up a compensation fund for victims of child abuse at children?s homes between 1945 and 1994. Lawyers believe that at least 70 people are entitled to payouts of up to £60,000 each.

Plans for a £6 million inquiry into child abuse from the end of the German occupation in 1945 until the present time were presented to the island?s parliament today.

The independent inquiry will questions victims and staff members of the island?s children homes and fostering service and examine how government departments dealt with concerns about abuse.

It will also examine files submitted by the police for possible consideration to see if cases were dealt with impartially and were free from political influence.

Ian Gorst, the island?s Chief Minister, said: ?We believe the inquiry we are proposing will provide a trusted forum where witnesses can share their experiences. It is where a healing process can begin and through which we can develop a shared understanding of the lessons which need to be learnt from our past.?

Inquiries have already been set up by the BBC, the Department of Health, several hospitals, the Crown Prosecution Service and Her Majesty?s Inspectorate of Constabulary.

Meanwhile, the charity set up by Savile which was due to receive the bulk of the £4.2 million left in his will is seeking legal advice after the payments were frozen because the his victims plan to make claims for compensation.

The trustees of the Jimmy Savile Charitable Trust, who include Gabrielle Greenbury, wife of the former Marks & Spencer chairman Sir Richard Greenbury, said they were ?saddened? that payments from the star?s estate had been frozen.

The Trust has announced that it is winding up its operations because of the sex-abuse scandal and will give the money to other charities.

?[Freezing the estate] will delay the distribution to charities and good causes,? said the Trustees in a statement. ?Any claims brought against the estate could clearly reduce the amount of money available for charity. The trustees will be seeking legal advice as to how best to protect the charity?s funds.?
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DontPutBeerInHisEar · 07/11/2012 17:28

I hope that's right too Mrscrump.

I cannot believe the link from the Jersey News, utterly disparaging.

It makes me feel sick to the core.

In light of current revelations and allegations elsewhere, how can they possibly justify not making any further inquiries?

Because it would cost too much? From one of the wealthiest Islands in the world???

Perhaps some of Jimmy Saville's estate could be put to good use to ensure it happens.

DontPutBeerInHisEar · 07/11/2012 17:29

x post!

CFSKate · 07/11/2012 17:37

This suggests the inquiry as proposed may not be good enough.

link

The Labour deputy chairman Tom Watson, who last month claimed there was ?clear intelligence? suggesting a historic paedophile ring was linked to Downing Street and a former prime minister, said her ?narrowed-down? inquiries would mean ?despicable paedophiles? remaining undetected.

To shouts of anger from Tory MPs, he said: ?Does she sincerely want to start making amends or can she live with being what she has just announced: the next stage of a cover-up.?

NigellasGuest · 07/11/2012 17:54

Thanks for copying and pasting the article, Xenia.

I think any inquiry about anything that occurred in Jersey should NOT be carried out by Jersey-based teams of people and should be completely independent. In fact it should be a police investigation headed up by a verified non-corrupt police force, if such a think exists! How can we find out if such a thing exists? Another enquiry of course....
sod it, let's just have the entire country and all its institutions investigated!!

NigellasGuest · 07/11/2012 17:54
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DontPutBeerInHisEar · 07/11/2012 18:06

Well yes, there is that!

Mrcrumpswife · 07/11/2012 18:32

Thanks Xenia, i dont understand why they are obsessed with inquiries into everything. Surely they need to send in a specialist police team with social workers to go through every bit of paperwork and speak to those victims. If it means digging the entire place up then tough luck.

Witnesses dont want to share their stories to draw a line under it, they want justice and answers. Ian Gorst sounds like an absolute idiot.

TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern · 07/11/2012 18:47

If police start digging they will likely uncover all sorts of things unrelated to paedophilia. An inquiry is easier to restrict to the subject in hand.

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