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hahaha about fish oils and you lot shoving them down your kids

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cod · 24/03/2006 10:49

ha ha ha
smae goes for viamins too apprently

"Nice idea, but where's the proof?
By Nigel Hawkes

THE fish oil shibboleth is only the latest to be overturned in recent years. Vitamin supplements and fibre have also been found to provide no benefits.
Theories often start with a random observation. Inuits, for example, have little heart disease and eat fish. Eureka!

The next stage, usually, is a case-control study in which the diets of those with heart disease are compared with those who are healthy. But there are normally so many other differences between the two groups that the results look a lot more persuasive than they are.

Worse, only the positive findings are published, building up a literature that emphasises beneficial findings and ignores the rest. This is called publication bias.

Only when randomised control trials (RCTs) are held does the emperor turn out to be wearing no clothes. A properly run RCT has two matched groups, followed for as long as possible, one taking pills and one a placebo.

But even RCTs are subject to random error. Combining them in a “meta-analysis” smoothes out the errors, although it does not eliminate publication bias. A single positive or negative study, if it is big, can swing the result.

So the normal life-cycle of a hypothesis is to start with a nice idea, confirm it using a poor evidence base, create a dietary fad sufficient to justify proper trials — then find it was never true to start with."

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katyp · 24/03/2006 10:51

I was also amazed to read this morning that the recommended intake of oily fish was 4 portions a week. FGS, I'm not a penguin

cod · 24/03/2006 10:51

are you all stopping now?

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NomDePlume · 24/03/2006 10:52

rofl, katy Grin

MaloryMargotTowers · 24/03/2006 10:52

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cod · 24/03/2006 10:53

i am just hahahahahhaha in a really horid way bit sorry hahahhahaha

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cod · 24/03/2006 10:54

erm malory have oyu neot read hte news htis morning?

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cupcakes · 24/03/2006 10:54

I scanned that article and all I read was blah blah blah. Find an article that tells me they are dangerous and I'll stop giving them to ds.

MaloryMargotTowers · 24/03/2006 10:55

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foxinsocks · 24/03/2006 10:56

Epidemiology expert Dr Eric Brunner, of the Royal Free and University College London Medical School, said for the general public some omega-3 was good for health.

"It seems that for healthy people the health advice remains well-founded but for people with chronic heart disease there is now a doubt."

I read it as being not necessarily beneficial for those who already have heart problems - it just says that it doesn't help prevent an reoccurrence.

Hallgerda · 24/03/2006 10:56

cod, you're only posting this to keep your liver intact aren't you?

Seriously, I quite agree.

foxinsocks · 24/03/2006 10:57

oops meant doesn't help prevent a recurrence

cupcakes · 24/03/2006 10:58

super bust Grin

cod · 24/03/2006 10:59

sorry what have norks to do wihtit

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tamum · 24/03/2006 10:59

To be fair, the new paper was only about whether they helped in terms of cardiovascular disease and cancer, wasn't it? I think people on here are mostly using them for poor concentration and stuff. You are a meanie :o

MaloryMargotTowers · 24/03/2006 10:59

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MaloryMargotTowers · 24/03/2006 11:00

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anteater · 24/03/2006 11:00

DROVE to school Shock

MaloryMargotTowers · 24/03/2006 11:01

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cod · 24/03/2006 11:02

yes ou may be right tamum

and yes youare aright i am a meanie
btu that will eb the nest thing to eb bdebunked

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tamum · 24/03/2006 11:03

I think you will find I am right about everything :o

(actually, I agree with you)

cod · 24/03/2006 11:03

and vitamins
they are all excreted in wee arent they

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Piffle · 24/03/2006 11:04

This is only about prevention of heart disease
I giv them to my dd for other reasons, for which I know beyond doubt they have helped.
people have pooh poohed homeopathy too, yet it cured my chronic asthma - cured - no recurrence ever.
And osteopathy is of no benefit - to me it is.
You can pick and choose your statistics and research at will seemingly.

The same as eating too much red meat heightens the risk of heart disease
How much is too much
2 x day FFS
How could anyone eat that much consistently?

MaloryMargotTowers · 24/03/2006 11:04

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