4 sisters returned to Italian father after their Australian Mum took them to Australia.....dragged kicking and screaming onto the plane.

[AmberLeaf]

Apparently the girls aged between 9-15 are dual citizens.

Link sorry its the DM.

Do they not take the childs view into account in Australia?

Haven't met many 15 year olds?

I was a melodramatic PITA at that age, I can remember screeching at my mother that I hated her and was leaving home. She told me that was probably for the best and I should do so now, while I still knew everything.

Seen the thread on Parenting where posters are comparing teenagers and toddlers?

The girls did not want to go, and they were making it as difficult as possible, fair enough. But Australia cannot ignore the law because they don't like it. We just can't, because it is a much bigger issue than what 4 people want.

If the judge believed they were in danger in Italy then the judgment would have been different, of this I am sure, there was no indication of that though so the law was enforced. I agree with the Hague Convention, we signed it, we can't just decide to ignore it because someone is upset.

They are children and they acted like children. Their Mum had the power to make this a much easier ride.

I have a 15 year old.

Toddlers tend to tantrum due to frustration and inability to express their wants [and cutted up pears] but I think if a 15 year old reacts in that way they certainly know their own mind.

So you think a 15 year old should have complete say over their own lives?

If so what was the UK's problem with the kid whose teacher took her off to France? Should they not have just been left to it?

I want Australia to reach out and pull back any children unlawfully abducted from here, so I agree with that very same law being enforced in this situation.

A 15 year old is a child under this law, she doesn't get to decide, the adults do. The adults in her life have fucked up, no question but we can't just ignore something we signed based on one child's feelings.

If she were in danger I would be right with you, but she isn't, she just doesn't want to.

The "UK's problem" with the Megan Stammers case was was that her teacher broke a very specific UK law about relationships with pupils under the age of 18.

I think she was spoken to in Fance for some days, her family were flown out, and she was gently persuaded to return home with them.

There are ways and means, you know. I always prefer the kindest, least physical, least violent option.

Amberleaf, they will be heard. But they need to be in Italy & it is there that the decision will be made. They can't be heard over here. Beside which, the mother took them ILLEGALLY!

The girls were happy to go home a year ago, when interviewed before the order was granted. Once the order was granted, their mother took them into hiding & manipulated them so much that now they don't want to go.

As I said yesterday, the older girls have been programmed by mom and her family to throw more tantrums when they arrive. I will bet good money.
Question is how sensitive the press will be to the difficult challenge the dad now faces with his older daughters on a mission to destroy things.

Linerunner, that was tried. You think that the AFP LIKED what they had to do? Do you think that they decided to forcibly remove those children? You think they enjoyed it?

It would all have been unnecessary if mum had done what she was told a yr ago & got them (and herself) on a plane.

do those that believe a 15 year old wishes should be heard believe that the views of a 13 year old should be heard?

Because the mother didn't afford her the same option when she abducted her.

When I was 14, if you have tried to take me from my mother I would have what these girls did.

Because I loved my mum & my dad was abusive. He was a lair, his whole family hated us. His new wife was a child beater.

Only none of that was true. My mother lied. She manipulated me to hate my father. It happens.

What, like what had been tried for 2 years?

So it is ok to enforce that specific UK law but Australia is not supposed to enforce its laws because it got messy?

If Megan had kicked and screamed and begged to be kept with her teacher would it have been OK to do so?

If my children are ever abducted from Australia I don't want there to be precedent for that country to tell us to get knotted. Even if my children behave like disturbed children.

We agreed to the law and have enforced the law.

I have sympathy for the children, it should never have come to this.

BoneyBackJefferson Exactly.

The "UK's problem" with the Megan Stammers case was was that her teacher broke a very specific UK law about relationships with pupils under the age of 18

Fair enough. But in this case, the mum broke a very specific universal law that YOU DO NOT ABDUCT CHILDREN.

LineRunner

"There are ways and means, you know. I always prefer the kindest, least physical, least violent option."

the last time these where tried the mother took them in to hiding, So how would you have dealt with it?

Are the Australian police not looking into the very specific issue of the force used on the girls and whether it was proportionate? I expect if there are any 'lessons learned' they will come out through that reflective process.

If the way the police performed turns out to be the only possible way to have handled placing four girls on a plane flight, ever, then I'm sure that that will be also be highlighted.

the mother broke the law,she abducted the girls.
law must be upheld for other parents, can't pick and chose
if a father abducted kids would folk say ach theyre settled leave em be. no they wouldn't

The mother's family have been playing to the media the whole time. The judge commented that a relative had said to the girls " This will look good on the news!" at one point. I think the whole two years has ben very damaging to the girls and the responsibility for this lies with the mother.

news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8544069

9 news the 4 girls beg the reporter to take then home to Australia while the father Tommaso Vincenti drags the one of his daughters in a very rough drag behind the gates of the villa the other hanged on to the gate for a hour until the police came, as usual his mother the nunna was involved.
There is something very wrong in this case that they want their mother and I feel in the end they will be destroyed.

Shrug, the mother is free to lodge a complaint against the AFP.

I, and every other Australian I have chatted to about this think that the AFP were not at fault here so I doubt there will be much public pressure for them to 'reflect'.

I find it extremely odd indeed that the father has separated the older and younger children. How is that supposed to help them adjust to being back in Italy?

I just watched that news report, adogforever.

Awful. More dragging, more force, more police, more pain.

if police were recovering children from a father overseas to return to uk
would the mn opinion be no.leave them be
the law needs to be upheld and enforced.

Couldn't care less who is male or female in this.
Those girls are being treated like shit.
They have rights too.

I would be saying the same if it were the mother. Separating siblings is completely wrong imho.

the father had rights.the mum breached his rights
there are global legal principles to be upheld here
is shame became such a bunfight