woman sentenced to 8 years for 38-week home abortion

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19621675
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204471/Mother-Sarah-Catt-terminated-baby-week-date-using-medication.html

With her history I am surprised she is in prion, shouldn't she be somewhere better for helping her with her mental health?

Like a few posters here Im also abit tired of all the assumptions regarding her mental health, Ive also read a "she MUST be ill"...why? Because she has done something that seems totally inexcuseable to the majority of us "sane" people? Whilst it is admirable to a degree to see the best in people why do some people have such a difficulty in accepting sometimes its just a case of bad people doing bad things, this seems particulalry relevant when it involves women and hurting children. Its as if women cant tolerate the idea of another woman (we are the so called "caring" sex at the end of the day) harming a child so balance this with the counter arguement about mental illness. The vast majority of people with a mental illness are more a risk to themelves than anyone else.

People can be bad rather than mad. This includes personality disorder, but this depends on the type of personality disorder. Women have been recorded throughout history as doing extreme things for the "love" of their partner, and this includes concealment of pregnancy, faking pregnancy etc. As I said all pretty extreme. But it doesnt make them mentally ill, although of course they could be.

I agree, shesariver. Sane people do some horrifically bad things, after all. Much more often than mentally ill people do, come to think of it.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a1527495-Supporting-abortion-to-term

I think this is the thread that some have referred to.

This woman in my personal opinion is guilty of murder as all those drugs do is induce labour. It is the equivillent of smothering a newborn.

I don't know, maybe my views are crazy but if you can destroy a fetus by taking a medicine yourself, it is hard for me to see that as a crime because the fetus is still, well, part of you. Not that it isn't horrific and upsetting but there's no evidence of her hurting the baby once it was outside her body, it could well have been a stillbirth, no-one knows anything about what happened.

Assuming in her favour it was a stillbirth, she still didn't report it or arrange a proper disposal of the body.

Would anyone dispute that failure to report stillbirth and secure proper burial should be crimes? They have to be: the former to make sure people don't just claim they had a stillbirth when actually they've murdered their babies, and the latter for public hygiene reasons (and basic human dignity).

LCCM I can understand a visceral reaction but what you are suggesting is torture and FGM.

Please think a little!

LCCM is quoting an earlier poster, and with disapproval.

I saw that sentence but thought it was so vile I would just ignore it.

KoPo I think that LCCM was actually quoting another poster, and disagreeing with the statement.

My mistake ..sorry LCCM

And yes I agree that the sentence is vile.

*Note to self ..... Try and get some sleep!

No problem KoPo!

Thanks for the defence, Eldritch and Tamisara. to you all.

I tried to ignore it too but couldn't keep my mouth shut in the end; just too too horrid and needed calling out.

Arse, I meant obviously!

That 'vile' quote was mine.

I really couldnt care less if people on here dissapprove & find it vile.

I find what that woman did was vile!!!.. actualy, there isnt a word strong enough to describe my feeling towards it.

She killed a full term baby simply because she was worried that it's father was not her husband, but a man she was having an affair with. She's also had a child put up for adoption, concealed another pregnancy from her husband, and has had attempted another termination.

There is a thing called contraception. If she doesnt want children, she should use it. Or keep her legs closed. It just seems all to easy for her to carry on having unprotected sex, without a care about wether she becomes pregnant, because if she does she can dispose of that baby too.

Im not anti-abortion, and i believe women do have a right to control what happens to their own bodies... But a full term baby? No. That is sick.

There are women out there desperate for a child, yet she just disposes of them like an old newspaper. Its disgusting. She should be forced to have a hystorectomy.

I agree with your post Joona-i find the woman in question a lot more vile than your comment.
I think people that can do such evil deserve nothing less than death as they cause evil to innocent children they should be made to suffer the consenquences of their actions.
It wasn't Abortion, it was MURDER

Fully agree with your opinions on here joona

To be totally honest perceptionreality no i dont. Especialy when an innocent, defensless child is the victim.

joona, your arguments smack of 'hang the paedophiles'

However awful what she did is, and I'm not arguing with that, who among us wants to live in a country where people have forced hysterectomies and are tortured for their crimes?? Who among us wants our children to be raised in a country where the government does these things to its own people?

When people say things like this, they tend to ignore the fact that we would all have to live with the consequences of living in a country with these kind of laws on a daily basis.

And thank you pumpkinsweetie and lovechoc ... Im glad there are people who agree with me.

Poor cow.

She must have mental health problems to even consider such a thing.

Hope she gets help to sort her head out during her 8 years in prison.

joona - why is the murder of a child worse than the murder of any other person?

To say there should be a particular instrument of torture for child murderers makes no sense and is based entirely on emotive responses. It's normal for us to have these about children, especially when we are mums but justice should be rational and not based upon emotive responses.

I personally don't think she has mental health problems, actually. What she did was extremely calculated, she had thought it all out in advance..She a history of having 'accidents'. I just don't think it's a case of mad, more a case of bad, tbh.

pecceptionreality

There are so many horrific crimes going on in the world today. I personaly think capital punishment should be brought back into play. Maybe it would reduce the amount of sick things that go on if the people committing these crimes thought they may lose their own life as a result.

Lets face it, prison in our country is an easy ride.. free bed, free meals, tv's, pool tables & the like. The people who commit serious offences, such a sexual assault, murder etc.. they get to live their lives with those luxurys, when many innocent people sleep on the streets & have to beg for loose change in order to eat a few times a week if they're lucky. Hardly seems fair to me.

Yes, i do think she should be forced to have a hystorectomy. I dont think its accetable that she can continue to conceive, only to dispose of these precious children like they are nothing.

And that goes for all murderers/sex offenders.

Any crime of this nature is utterly horrific. But i find it slightly worse when it is a child because they have so much of their life left to live, and they have absolutely zero chance of being able to defend themselves or fight back.