should youtube take it down?

[SunWukong]

The rules of YouTube say no insulting religion yet this anti Islam film created by US Christian group is still up despit the trouble and death it had caused by claiming Muhammad is a bisexual pedophile, bastard son of an adulterious woman, making it up as he goes along to suit his own evilness.

How much more insulting to a religion can you get?.

Are they saying that they are insulting/outing/whatevert the prophet and not slagging off the religion? Is that a get out clause?

Well if there was a Jesus his parents were married so he was a bastard and Mary would only have been 13 so Joseph was a paedophile and the church has been making things up for at least 2 millennia so it seems the christians should sort there own house out before making up films on other religions.

I've just watched it it's pretty clear, you see him talking to animals and onlookers thinking he's nuts, ordering little girls to marry him. It's blatant, in the same vain as the silly anti abortion vids those American Christian nuts post.

Whilst I agree that the video is very insulting to Islam and to Muslims, I can never get to worked up about these things. Religions, as a rule are usually discriminatory to some sector of society or encourage archaic or damaging practices (that is to a non believer) and are protected as they are religions. So for that reason I can't feel aggrieved when religion is attacked. I can't imagine having such strongly held views and beliefs in unprovable and unlikely events/figures.
However I think YouTube should remove the video as it will undoubtedly cause massive, unnecessary reprisals and a large outcry and it would be a terrible tragedy if people were hurt because of one group of people creating fictional insults about another group of people's (to me anyway) fictional god.

I thought they were married, so he was legitimate... Then you get into the whole immaculate conception quagmire...

People have already been hurt, killed actually have you not watched the news it's caused .sn outcry across the Islamic world, marches, flag burning and US embassy attack.

All obama is saying on the matter is about bringing the terrorists who killed that poor US embassy guy to justice, no harsh words to those who made this hate video and the sites refusing to take it down.

I don't get too worked up about religious things either but saldy there are people who would beel justified to kill in the name of religion if they thought it was being insulted, or they disagreed with someone else's actions or words.

If some one speaks againt you, that's one thing but of they raise their hand, then that's another line completely. Our world is such that there will always be people who will open a nut with a steamroller, and of course the people who made this film knew that it would cause riot and mayhem (so they can point and say 'look at the barbarians!'). Not like christains bombing family planning clinics, oh no siree.

America subscribes to free speech. What is truly appalling is blaming a government, or a race, or a group of people for the (admittedly ill-advised) actions of a few individulas.

I reckon the person who posted it on Youtube with Arab subtitles was themselves a Muslim trying to stir up hatred against "the West". Which is not to excuse the original content, but the Muslim community have got to stop letting themselves be manipulated like this.

The man who made the film no more represents all Christians than the people who are moved to violence in protest against the film represent all Muslims.

It's so obviously a very badly made bit of anti muslim propoganda why is it given any credence at all? Yes NOW I think it should be taken down as people are dying, but the best thing would have been to condemn it & take a moral high ground. It is insulting & disrespectful but all sorts of nasty rubbish gets peddalled about many other religions we can't all go round killing others in protest.

Why is it automatically assumed that the US govt condone this rubbish & are therefore to blame? Even if they were it does NOT justify killing someone.

As I understand it from my basic study of the Koran, Muhammed does NOT ask for revenge killings to be made in his holy name anymore than Jesus or Buddha does. Interpretations of holy scripts to suit violent ends is what happens.

Obama isn't helping matters tho, it's blindi ngly obvious this would cause riots, but rather then come out and condemn the people who made it, say it's not the view of Americans and tell YouTube to take it down, he just stupidly comes out and complains about the terrorists who killed that man. He's basically waving his hand in a dismissing way and saying, it's just some little video why get worked up over it, it's freedom of speech.

What happened to being diplomatic and trying not wave red cloths in the face of other countries with different cultures.

I have not watched that film and I have no desire to. There is a difference between free speech and inciting religious hatred. Unfortunately every country and religous group in the world have their share of unpleasent people.

It is inexcusable to murder someone just because they are the same nationality as those who made the film. I have never read the Koran, but I am sure that mainstream islamic teaching does not advocate murdering someone because of their nationaility.

I feel that Youtube should take it down. It would be fairer for muslims to boycott Youtube and google than murder innocent people.

If you come from a country that has no free speech and comes down on you like a tonne of bricks, the lack of any censorship or condemnation shown by the US goverenment can be seen as them being complicit, thus there government buildings being a legitimate target for not doing anything to control what their citizens spread on the net.

Well if this will be nothing compared to the insults and contempt Willard Romney will heap on the East if he was to be president. He could not even go to London without being insulting to the British.

You Tube community guidelines state:
"We encourage free speech and defend everyone's right to express unpopular points of view. But we do not permit hate speech (speech which attacks or demeans a group based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status and sexual orientation/gender identity)"
So according to You Tubes own rules it should be taken down.

As a Muslim, I'm more offended at the way the Muslim community has reacted with murder and violence in our beloved prophet's name.

They could appoint an official holder of the sock ready to stuff it in at a moments notice.

So then OP are you saying that the riots and killings are justified?

If their country allows no free speech & censors everything then few of those objecting have actually SEEN the video but are taking it on the word of others hysterical reactions.

NO-ONE is a legitimate target for anothers stupid bigotry regardless of religion or race.

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As a Muslim, I'm more offended at the way the Muslim community has reacted with murder and violence in our beloved prophet's name

Thank you- that is what I believe & hope most Muslims feel.....more atrocities are committed around the world in the name of religion than anything else.

No I'm saying after all these years, people should know better then to shit stir, they know what happens, the US should make clear it is not there view order the video to be taken down and group taken to court for incitement if they have that law.

That's what diplomacy is all about.

Yes we must all take the line that Islam is a religion of peace. If anyone says anything different, many muslims are likely to turn violent.

There is more to the murder than this film...the embassy murder seems to have been pre-meditated.

I am a muslim and am sickened and angered by the way the film is supposed to portray my prophet muhammad. I can totally understand the anger but one can never justify innocent life being.

I do think that youtube should take it down.

You have your wish. It's been taken down.

Youtube's community standards do not say "no insulting religion" they say they don't permit hate speech against religious groups - which means attacking the humanity of muslims as a whole, not attacking their beliefs.

Mocking a religion or insulting it is different from inciting religious hatred. I haven't watched the video (because I have no reason to think my life will be better for watching it) and expect, from what I've read about it that it is a vile piece fo work. But as far as I have read it doesn't incite religious hatred. It doesn't invite everyone to turn on muslims, just criticises Islam in a nasty way. Saying Mohammed was a not very nice man is not worse than saying L. Ron Hubbard is a whack job who wrote a book about how to build a false religion & con a large group of people and then did so, or the Pope is not infallible and a bit of a misogynist. It attacks the core belief of a religious group, it suggests that those who believe it are wrong, possibly that they are stupid, but it isn't saying "go out and hurt them" or "they don't deserve to live".

It's the people who are saying people who make nasty videos don't deserve to live who are inciting hatred.

That's right. In a free society there is no right not to be offended.

Muslims should not be an exception to this.

There are things in the Koran than many people might find extremely offensive. If the same standards applied to that as to the clip on YouTube, the Koran could be banned,

I've watched it.

It's a pathetic video with fake scenery, crap dialogue, hammy acting and visibly stuck on fake beards.

It's not worth people losing their lives over - especially as most if not all of those creating the violence won't have seen it.

For me, it's more worrying that Channel 4 have pulled Tom Holland's academic documentary on the origins of Islam. It's factual and respectful - but obviously too hot to handle.